Hey MNHQ. Would it be possible to have a discussion about how SN issues/threads are handled on the main boards. ( pt 2)

[Samcro]

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"The bottom line is, we're trying to make Mumsnet a site that's free of disablist posts. As we've said before, we think that people with disabilities (and indeed those who care for them) have enough battles to face in real life, day in and day out, without having to continually fight their corner on here too"

this is what they have been adding to deletion messages . it covers it(even this has led to a few , bet it was a funny post. form posters though.

Surely MN dont have to type up every deletion message? Don't they have stock ones in a database that they just call up and plonk in?
The amount of threads being deleted it would be quicker to do that.
Btw why isn't it ok to say why something is disabalist? If it's not glaringly obvious? Isn't that again just closing the conversation down and making disabilities a taboo subject?

Saying its disablist is good
We dont need a debate as to why, as that will end up no doubt end up be ing disablist, we are not here to bloody educate.

I did post this on the thread that got deleted so not sure if MNHQ responded, but it would be really useful to know where they draw the line on language used.

I read on here that words like idiot and dimwit are disablist because of their origins, which I wasn't aware of. Particularly the former now seems to have come in to every day language but doesn't seem to truly reflect its origins. So would MNHQ let it stand or be deleted every time someone uses the word?

It would be useful on some clarification for things like that while MNHQ you are discussing the phrase "beyond the pale" etc

So if someone says for example ASD is a disorder - and the majority of people agree that's disabalist for example as it now called ASC. But say I didn't know that and my son was diagnosed as ASD in 2015. How just deleting that help?
Again I'm just asking. To me that would say it's a taboo subject.

I'm not sure if it's word disorder it's certainly used in other areas to describe sensory disorders or eating disorders. It's an umbrella term isn't it.

Found this on uk Autism site
Over the years, different diagnostic labels have been used, such as autism, autism spectrum disorder (ASD), autism spectrum condition (ASC), classic autism, Kanner autism, pervasive developmental disorder (PDD), high-functioning autism (HFA), Asperger syndrome and Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA). This reflects the different diagnostic manuals and tools used, and the different autism profiles presented by individuals. Because of recent and upcoming changes to the main diagnostic manuals, 'autism spectrum disorder' (ASD) is now likely to become the most commonly given diagnostic term.

Autism is a disorder isn't it?

I didn't know anything much about autism until my 2nd child was born eight years ago. I didn't know what it was like seeing your child in class of peers whom can't talk, can't control their emotions, can't use a toilet. Can't play. But not once have I been given a manual. No book on how raise your autistic child. How to react in public to people staring and giving me parenting tips.
So if it wasn't anyone's job to educate ME - who's job is it to explain why things said in all innocence ( some times) are so offensive? Should I just know? Was something missed when someone decided to give me two Sen kids - they forgot to hand me the rule book?

You don't see why disorder suggests something wrong and condition is neutral?

I personally would be glad if phrase politically correct had no place on this thread.

I can see how disorder is different from condition. But for example my sons diagnosis is ASD. It's not ASC so in that case why would ASD offend?

Im confused, this thread is about dealing with disablist post on mn.
So now people are saying the poor people who post them need to be told why it's disablist!!!!
Very odd

It just makes me feel I should never talk about it as that's the only 100% safe option. To not talk about his autism in case his autism offends someone

Hmm I'm actually not saying that Sam. What I mean ( I'm not great with writing) is that if it's a fine line like ASD or ASD why is that wrong to say why?

Why would his autism offend,?
People have different opinions on things.

Not everyone knows that the terms like HFA and ASD have been replaced. That's all. In more general terms

Samcro I think that it's such a fine line between deliberate disablism and accidental. Ie, if I used the word idiot or described someone as "autistic" I would never mean to offend but it could offend. That isn't me being inflammatory, it's just I genuinely wouldn't know.

It would be useful to have some guidelines for people who are unaware why certain phrases or words are offensive. Obviously certain words don't need to even be mentioned for everyone to know they're offensive!

Well ASD would offend it seems

I have no iidea i dont live in the autism world .
Tbh i think your justpicking a fight

Think we are confusing Disablism with using terms some people don't like. I don't think calling Autism a Disorder or condition is "bad" but o would equally under stand if term Disorder implies it's something needs to be fixed or can be cured not part of someone unique wiring if you see what I mean.

I think MN should have a guest blogger who can explain the term better and give examples. Often some terms and phrases are so common people can't see harm.