Hey MNHQ. Would it be possible to have a discussion about how SN issues/threads are handled on the main boards.

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I know you are fire fighting a bit and I'm not trying to stir things up.

I just think that there are endless threads that require you to get involved and try to (for the sake of a better word) mediate between pissed of posters with no real experience of SN/disability and pissed off member of the SN/disability community.

I think you try really really hard to be fair and even handed. It's an understandable response but I have growing doubts about it.
There have been half a dozen threads recently where posters I recognise as living with SN/disability issues deal with a continuous stream of posts from any random who pops up on a thread making the same stupid, ill informed or frankly goady post.
It's like swimming through a tidal wave of shit.
Then, as posters get increasingly exasperated by each arriving poster saying 'well I'm not putting my buggy away if my baby is asleep' or 'why can't I use the disabled toilet if it's empty' or 'but people with SN can be violent. I know of stabbing someone and attacks all the time' they get rude and the thread descends into eurrgh.

I'm still reading constant posts where anyone affected by disability is berated if they are angry, the message being 'be nice, be grateful or we don't have to be fair'

It seems to me that the status quo of 'fairness' is simply unfair.
Posters already dealing with immense difficulty shouldn't be forced to defend themselves against every person who turns up and says unpleasant things under the umbrella of debate. You said a long time ago it was not our responsibility to educate but the reality is that, with no palpable support from you guys, we are endlessly having to educate.

I am not pretending to have the answer but is it possible to contemplate methods by which you could actually say to posters saying 'if someone in a wheelchair can't use their space because I'm not putting my buggy away' that their comments are wrong and not in the spirit of the site?

You link to the This Is My Child campaign but the posters who are the problem won't care and won't read it.

I don't know - I just wonder if you could think about this.
Sometimes there are not two sides to a debate because only one side is directly affected, exhausted, distressed and having their lives and their children's lives made harder.

Absolutely what I've come to expect now.

And mass mails in response to specific posts.
Nothing has changed at all here.

MNHQ don't really seem to get it.

Seems not. And it pains me to say that as I hoped things had improved this week.

I've just seen the deletions on that thread including two of mine which were not troll hunting, they were questioning what the OP wanted from the thread and why they felt they had to NC.

MNHQ obviously aren't implementing any new policy. I've had enough excuses about being short staffed and spam filters and fire fighting.

I don't want to use a forum where it's ok to be a goady fucker and incite people to complain about disabled people but it's not ok to complain about the goady inciters. I for one feel very unwelcome and silenced at the moment.

In fact, I'm off, certainly until I calm down as this is not good for my blood pressure at the moment.

I'm bitterly disappointed about the stance MNHQ have taken on this and that message about shutting down debate is the final straw.

I'm sure all you eloquent people stronger than me will make your voices heard, I know I should be too but quite frankly don't feel able for it ATM.

So do I. Thing is Mnhq hope we'll get bored - we have every time before - and rumble on, not happy but keeping quiet (er)

So we mustn't.

Miffle - that's fair enough too. Been there before, I'll keep on for the minute.

I know how you feel miffle, and i am stuggling to word my reply on that thread. Mn is my lifeline and i would genuinely struggle if i were banned, but i cant ignore the constant drip of disabilism here.

I am seriously angry at how "othered" i feel right now

So am I, beyond. But I'm on steroids and I think they're Duracell bunnying me at the moment.

I've been on MN about a decade so have weathered plenty of shite, but this is worse it has ever been for disablist posts/trolling. If MNHQ supported us and actually applied their new policy it would be manageable, but at the moment it isn't.

I know leaving is giving the trolls/disablist posters what they want and is the worst thing to do, but at the moment I just can't deal with it, it's making me too angry. It's a shame and I'm probably cutting my nose off to spite my face as I usually dearly love MN and have had some great times but it certainly isn't a nice place to be at the moment and if this is a sign of things to come, I'd rather step out now.

I shall maybe revisit in a few days. Much love to you all

OMG I'm actually flouncing

I'm going to have to talk to DH and everything now.

Seriously, we need people to keep calling out the disablists, please stay. I suppose MNHQ's thinking on your posts, Miffle, was that they could have been interpreted as troll hunting. Maybe query it directly with them?

I feel the same miffle.

Augusta she may not get a reply, some of us aren't getting anything.

what a pile of trolling bollocks.
wtf is it with mn hq. teh seem to be on strike.
or leaving disablist bullshit up for shits and giggles.
(not please because a PA about me is still on the bus thread and they are still reading!!!!)

Only for disabled posters or family member of disabled people posters, Samcro.
Entitled special snowflakes and goady fuckers are getting premium moderation.

seems that way.

:(

Miffe please stay around if only on here. Bad enough without anyone jumping over board!

The newest thread just shows how bad things are. If it is true what are likely good that A a complete stranger in charge of all their facilities takes a dislike to OP for no reason and decides to make her life difficult for sake of it lets say not impossible but slim generous 3%

Meanwhile the odds that woman behaving in slightly anti social manner who profess to have a disability we guess learning, personality, whatever that she feel she needs or copes better in disabled room. Mmm let's say 97%.

So on balance one disabled woman reaction caused slightly temporal bruising of feelings starts post about someone with a real life disabilities who probable deals with more crap in a day then OP ever does this is ok.

Meanwhile when Disabled poster who actual physical injuries themselves out and about post or gets upset that someone is horrible to them in public do we get loads of sympathy??? No we get told to

Get tough- shake it off- people are not used to dealing with you. What do you expect. Cnt expect everyone to be understanding or be accesable!

Apparently the reason they've not responded to me is because they "missed my report".
What, all 30-40 of them?

I hope Miffle stays. she has been so supportive on the thread where the PA's against me are allowed(it seems)

Perhaps they've blocked you, brennan

Probably. Just waiting for the ban hammer.