Hey MNHQ. Would it be possible to have a discussion about how SN issues/threads are handled on the main boards.

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I know you are fire fighting a bit and I'm not trying to stir things up.

I just think that there are endless threads that require you to get involved and try to (for the sake of a better word) mediate between pissed of posters with no real experience of SN/disability and pissed off member of the SN/disability community.

I think you try really really hard to be fair and even handed. It's an understandable response but I have growing doubts about it.
There have been half a dozen threads recently where posters I recognise as living with SN/disability issues deal with a continuous stream of posts from any random who pops up on a thread making the same stupid, ill informed or frankly goady post.
It's like swimming through a tidal wave of shit.
Then, as posters get increasingly exasperated by each arriving poster saying 'well I'm not putting my buggy away if my baby is asleep' or 'why can't I use the disabled toilet if it's empty' or 'but people with SN can be violent. I know of stabbing someone and attacks all the time' they get rude and the thread descends into eurrgh.

I'm still reading constant posts where anyone affected by disability is berated if they are angry, the message being 'be nice, be grateful or we don't have to be fair'

It seems to me that the status quo of 'fairness' is simply unfair.
Posters already dealing with immense difficulty shouldn't be forced to defend themselves against every person who turns up and says unpleasant things under the umbrella of debate. You said a long time ago it was not our responsibility to educate but the reality is that, with no palpable support from you guys, we are endlessly having to educate.

I am not pretending to have the answer but is it possible to contemplate methods by which you could actually say to posters saying 'if someone in a wheelchair can't use their space because I'm not putting my buggy away' that their comments are wrong and not in the spirit of the site?

You link to the This Is My Child campaign but the posters who are the problem won't care and won't read it.

I don't know - I just wonder if you could think about this.
Sometimes there are not two sides to a debate because only one side is directly affected, exhausted, distressed and having their lives and their children's lives made harder.

Does anyone want to restart, or want to see if hq reinstate it first?

i think mn hq owe Mary Z an apology

I'm sure it was a misunderstanding. I think they were probably in a hurry to remove it after that AWFUL post.

Well, 10/10 for speed, MNHQ, but lessons needed in reading the thread/reports.

But also thank you for it not being the standard deletion mesage(although sadly inappropriately used on this occasion).

Mrsd's started a separte thrad abour it in site stuff :)

What on earth happened? Surely any mod "knows" MaryZ of all people. Did some utter wanker derail it beyond saving?

I also get angry with the supposed professionals that appear on these threads. often you can tell they are not what they seem, as they use the wrong language

Do you remember that idiot woman who claimed to be the SEN advisor for a number of schools in London, and boasted about how she ignored what was in statements and EHCPs? It used to make my blood run cold that she was single-handedly ruining so many children's lives.

user1466337378 Sun 19-Jun-16 13:03:48
You say you fight for specizl childer, but we hrow up and you call us troll, my mum was mean have childer knowing she was broken but once we grow up people know longer care and we have to live in a world we don't understand a wprld of emotion.

Logic would think if you know you are broken don't be creul and spread it on people. I would prefer ,y mum stopped once she knew but had 4 special kids instead and expect the goverment to pay.

FGS MN HQ THIS HAS BEEN REPORTED deal with it

utter shambles springs to mind.

we could just biscuit the dislexia thread to death?

There is a fine balance to meet

No actually there isn't. MN and MNHQ are just as bound by equality legislation as other companies/organisations.

The DDA is unique in British law as it allows discrimination in favour of those with disabilities as defined by the act. So there is no fine balance, legally and morally the balance is with the people with disabilities/SN and the parents of children with disabilities/Sn and in some cases the people that care for them.

When someone says they will not fold a buggy for a wheelchair user just try to think of it as discrimination against another minority.

There was a black woman waiting for the bus, I knew there were only two spaces left so I deliberately blocked her so my white child got a seat and she had to wait for the next one.

Or, gay people should not get on the bus, they distract my child.

I don't think Muslims should be allowed to fast at work, I enjoy my lunch break and don't want them to feel hungry.

How many of those posts would lead to the poster being banned?

But you can bash away on here and it's OK because someone at MNHQ is deaf so....

The trouble is there's just some absolute fucking dicks out there and they seem to be targeted on MN at the moment.

The "new" deletion process doesn't seem to be working - I've not seen a post deletion message other than the standard "breaking guidelines" when MNHQ said they'd try to make it clearer when posts have been deleted for disablism.

The deletion of whole threads policy is, quite frankly, SNAFU as evidenced by Maryz's thread.

The ease of the unverified sign up process allowing people to troll away so happily and easily has also been demonstrated quite well today.

When it gets to the point posters are being blamed for the death of their DC as well as the death of other DC with SN actually being recommended, there's something clearly fucked up.

MNHQ, good intentions aren't cutting it. Accurate action needs to be taken and a proper policy applied correctly. The "new"'policy isn't being applied - it just feels like lip service really.

MN isn't a good place at the moment. I've said it before but as well as upsetting posters, it reflects so badly on MNHQ that this is going so badly.

Nods in agreement withMiffle

In fairness Miffle everyone was horrified by that. I think that's why the whole mixup happened as MNHQ were so keen to get it down they obviously pressed the wrong button or something - like when you try to hurriedly turn down a radio or something and accidentally turn it up by mistake. It was horrible though.

Am really shocked at how much effort people put in to being offensive and cruel.

While failing and just coming across as twats.

Maryz thread is still there.or reinstated.

Oops..they were meant to go on that thread.in car and got mixed up.

Asked for them to be deleted here.

Apologies all for the cock up today, badly timed big mistake and we can only apologise. It was a mistake on our part and we reinstated the thread and apologised as quickly as possible but I wanted to pop on here and apologise too.

Thers still loads of "unfair" and "unreasonable" comments in wheelchair bus thread AGAIN. These are just ones brave enough to say it, imagine how many others really think it. So nice to be loved huh