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Hey MNHQ. Would it be possible to have a discussion about how SN issues/threads are handled on the main boards.

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Pagwatch · 12/06/2016 11:38

I know you are fire fighting a bit and I'm not trying to stir things up.

I just think that there are endless threads that require you to get involved and try to (for the sake of a better word) mediate between pissed of posters with no real experience of SN/disability and pissed off member of the SN/disability community.

I think you try really really hard to be fair and even handed. It's an understandable response but I have growing doubts about it.
There have been half a dozen threads recently where posters I recognise as living with SN/disability issues deal with a continuous stream of posts from any random who pops up on a thread making the same stupid, ill informed or frankly goady post.
It's like swimming through a tidal wave of shit.
Then, as posters get increasingly exasperated by each arriving poster saying 'well I'm not putting my buggy away if my baby is asleep' or 'why can't I use the disabled toilet if it's empty' or 'but people with SN can be violent. I know of stabbing someone and attacks all the time' they get rude and the thread descends into eurrgh.

I'm still reading constant posts where anyone affected by disability is berated if they are angry, the message being 'be nice, be grateful or we don't have to be fair'

It seems to me that the status quo of 'fairness' is simply unfair.
Posters already dealing with immense difficulty shouldn't be forced to defend themselves against every person who turns up and says unpleasant things under the umbrella of debate. You said a long time ago it was not our responsibility to educate but the reality is that, with no palpable support from you guys, we are endlessly having to educate.

I am not pretending to have the answer but is it possible to contemplate methods by which you could actually say to posters saying 'if someone in a wheelchair can't use their space because I'm not putting my buggy away' that their comments are wrong and not in the spirit of the site?

You link to the This Is My Child campaign but the posters who are the problem won't care and won't read it.

I don't know - I just wonder if you could think about this.
Sometimes there are not two sides to a debate because only one side is directly affected, exhausted, distressed and having their lives and their children's lives made harder.

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MaterofDragons · 15/06/2016 12:57

Who is this poster? if they are known for their disablist postings then I would like to know what MNHQ's view is on this poster.

MHHQ we know you are having a meeting today about the v important issues raised on this thread, may I suggest you discuss this poster and do something about them and their ilk?

MaterofDragons · 15/06/2016 13:00

Here's something MNHQ, for that poster and all posters like them, replace any disablist language with black...or woman/female. See how that fits in with your thinking.

Clevelandriot · 15/06/2016 13:16

MaterofDragons you're spot on.

theDudesmummy · 15/06/2016 13:26

Pagwatch may I just say how spot on your post are. Three cheers for you.

And no, I, as a fully-paid up member of the "SN brigade" (because I have no choice but to be), but also a stepmother, wife, doctor, patient, daughter, sister, consumer, activist, voter, reader, writer, client, customer, and many other things besides, will most certainly not stay just on the SN threads.

BishopBrennansArse · 15/06/2016 13:56

We raised that point 4 odd years ago. Apparently it's really not the same.

This is about the third time the disabled community on here has got really cheesed off. The other times we got teeny concessions- first time was 'ok you shouldn't be expected to educate' (we still do, though). Another time spawned this is my child which other than looking really. 'right on' in the press releases has made precisely bugger all difference to the disabled community on here - the bigotry still exists and is allowed to stand and I don't know about the rest of you but I'm well over 18 as are some of the children of posters here.

I have a feeling this time will just get that really rather good deletion message and very little else. Which is why we shouldn't just settle this time.

BeyondTellsEveryoneRealFacts · 15/06/2016 14:00

A few of us asked a while ago about a timc equivalent type thing for disabled adults/parents. I cant remember the exact outcome, but it was a no. Will see if i can find the thread now...

BeyondTellsEveryoneRealFacts · 15/06/2016 14:03

Ah, it was invisible illnesses, though over two years ago so not that bad a memory! Grin

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a2057029-To-suggest-the-next-mn-campaign-targets-views-on-invisible-disabilities?msgid=46538395#46538395

BishopBrennansArse · 15/06/2016 14:09

Let's face it adults with disabilities don't have the cute factor or make HQ look good in the press.

FlouncyMcFlounceFace · 15/06/2016 15:01

Would it help if we could actually have a bullet point list of what we're after?

To me the clearest points that are coming out from the thread are:

  1. Faster action to delete offensive posts. (standby moderators for when you're overrun?)

  2. Clear deletion messages to individual posts.

  3. Persistent offenders who breach the guidelines publicly flogged.

Maybe if others could cut paste and add we could come up with something constructive.

Clevelandriot · 15/06/2016 15:04

Yes to the above plus WHY what they've said is offensive.

bialystockandbloom · 15/06/2016 15:25
  1. MN intervening directly on threads with more than just the "peace and love" message. Eg using wording as mentioned earlier to reinforce that they are themselves a 'SN Brigade'
Baconyum · 15/06/2016 15:39

1 faster action on reports full stop! Seriously are there not enough staff?!

2 clear deletion messages stating WHY deleted

3 persistent offenders banned - no more just paying lip service to '3 strikes and out' do it!

4 instead of 'peace and love' keep it simple for the clearly hard of thinking offenders-

'Disablist posts will NOT be tolerated, if you post disablist posts you WILL be deleted and risk a ban'

Then they've been warned - no excuses!

YES

at the 'meeting' read those posts with the disablist words replaced with black/Asian/Jewish/Moslem/women! Then try and tell us they're ok!!

Samcro · 15/06/2016 15:41

Tbh i dont think mn hq read all reports, i reported something this morning. Have heard nothing, words are still there and still wrong

Baconyum · 15/06/2016 15:44

Samcro I'm beginning to think the same. That if only one or 2 people report they just don't bother.

Samcro · 15/06/2016 16:34

looking at the thread fanjo was talking about. surprised to see a jokey goady as fuck post still there.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 15/06/2016 16:54

Well the joking poster had been arguing for folding buggies.

And the deleted poster had said this

Ok, everyone, if you don't have SN, if you don't know anyone with SN, if you're not in a wheelchair or don't know anyone in a wheelchair, do not comment. Your points are invalid, unwelcome, and will be immeadiately pissed on, shot down, belittled, condescendingly commented on, patronised and laughed at. It's just not worth it.

I give up.

People will never be happy

DixieNormas · 15/06/2016 17:02

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Samcro · 15/06/2016 17:15

i am glad I have plans for the evening.....

MaterofDragons · 15/06/2016 17:35

fanjo that must be the same poster from this thread who said:

Toomanymarsbars Sun 12-Jun-16 16:54:21

Ok, everyone, if you don't have SN, if you don't know anyone with SN, if you're not in a wheelchair or don't know anyone in a wheelchair, do not comment. Your points are invalid, unwelcome, and will be immeadiately pissed on, shot down, belittled, condescendingly commented on, patronised and laughed at. It's just not worth it.

Give it a rest already and update your damn spell checker

MaterofDragons · 15/06/2016 17:42

MNHQ Will this delightful poster be given a warning stating that he/she/it is a disablist?

btw, if you're overwhelmed with reports and whatnot, you could consider employing me. I am a demon at multi-tasking, am a parent raising two disabled children, am employed part-time by two organisations, am also self-employed and run my own business, am writing a book and fighting my LA for my children's right to an education. I'm serious, I'd like to work for MN Grin

BishopBrennansArse · 15/06/2016 17:55

I've reported that ouster waaaaay more than 3 times. Which makes the 3 strikes rule bolleaux.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 15/06/2016 17:57

I'm being told elsewhere that that poster is pro SN.

PirateJones · 15/06/2016 17:59

looks like a poster taking the piss out of SN parents.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 15/06/2016 18:00

Yes. Lovely eh

PirateJones · 15/06/2016 18:02

I'm so totally past caring and fighting anymore. There's only so many times i can repeat the same crap over and over.