Trans people being allowed to compete against women in the Olympics

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The Olympics are now allowing men who have taken hormones for 12 months compete against women.

It is NOT transphobic to say that this is grossly unfair and a huge violation of women's rights.

Women who have trained all their lives cannot be expected to compete against people with male bodies and who will be allowed roughly 4 times the normal female testosterone levels.

It's not on. We can't stand for it.

Please get behind this mumsnet. Someone needs to take a stand.

It's NOT transphobic to state that this is unfair. It really isn't.

Here's a campaign:

pregnantthenscrewed.com

veritat in Canada all pregnancy and birth literature has been rewritten to refer to "pregnant individuals" and "birthing persons" so as not to exclude trans men.

It's has already happened.

The only reason pregnancy and maternity are protected characteristics is because ONLY women can get pregnant. When that changes so legally recognised men (Ie: bio women who identify as men) are giving the birth, that protection is at risk.

The only way to be a man or a woman is biologically. Women's biology is the source of their inequality. Is it essential we fight this and don't let it become blurred,

The obfuscation from including trans women in women is already happening.

Men who become top in their field and then transition once already successful are skewing numbers of women's representation in tech and at the top levels of management.

Men who commit serious crimes and then transition are having those crimes recorded as female crimes massively distorting the facts.

Trans women are winning women's cycling tournaments setting new records that are impossible for women to match, but they're only recorded as being set by women (despite the fact that some of those winners are fully intact men)

Women are already losing discrimination cases because men can lactate too.

these cyclists I tried googling them but couldn't find anything could someone help me who are they?

Not about records but here is a trans woman who has happily been competing in cycling against men until now and who placed second three years ago - but is now being told to change competition;
road.cc/content/news/173121-transgender-cyclist-told-she-can-no-longer-compete-mens-events-despite-decades

There are some absolutely outstanding posts on this thread that explain and shine light on the issues women are now up against with this trend to redefine what a woman really is.

I get the feeling she'd prefer to stay in her current category but will enter the women's race if that's what she's told.

DrSeuss this is why there needs to be a movement for transpeople to have competitions of their own.

That cyclist can't compete in the women's competition.

Ah, this post op trans woman had some impressive cycling times:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Dumaresq

Well I'm not going to take time to analyse her times and physiology but I very much expect they have unfair physiological advantage over women because they have had medical intervention to turn them into a woman but still have a male body. Same as doping to win.

X post by the way! (Sorry reads rudely otherwise!)

Rachel V McKinnon

Michelle Dumaresq

Sylvia Castaneda

Well there you go. No one can say this isn't already happening, and feminists are "scaremongering".
It is a genuine cause.

so in fairness are these particular trans women setting the world of women's cycling alight..? It's not particularly obvious that they are. Sylvia Castaneda is this even a trans woman or a man who is using the trans woman identity to compete it's not very clear

it's not exactly the vast wave of men invading women's sport and rewriting all the records that this thread would have you believe. I think for me this is very much a wait and see situation and if the worst fears come about things can always be retroactively changed at a later date just like they are with drugs cheats. Otherwise how can this be accomodated .. I'm glad I'm not in charge

It's not wait-and-see situation.
It's a nip-it-in-the-bud situation.

Why should we have to wait for even just one male bodied person to set a woman's world record or win a gold medal at the expense of women?

You only need one at elite level. That's the point.

Em, Dumaresq went from complete novice to being on the Canadian national team in a year despite being disqualified for being male for most of that year.

"She entered the novice female class and won. In fact, her finish time was 2.5 seconds faster than the winner of the female professional category."

2.5 seconds faster than the fastest female professional in their first race - how does that not show an unfair advantage?

McKinnon has won loads of races as you can see from my link and Castaneda has won two out of the three races listed for them.

It doesn't matter if Castaneda is really trans or not just as it won't matter if any of the male competitors in the women's olympics are really trans.

Claudia, there aren't already loads of examples because the ruling has only just come in and won't apply to the Rio Olympics. We are posting examples that exist at present.

USAC rules differ from the Olympic ones - which state that athletes should compete as the gender they were assigned at birth - unless they have had sex reassignment surgery

Erm....research please!!

briss wrote - "USAC rules differ from the Olympic ones - which state that athletes should compete as the gender they were assigned at birth - unless they have had sex reassignment surgery. Erm....research please!!"

The IOC published their new guidelines only a few days ago. Probably every sporting organisation at national and regional level hasn't yet had time to update their guidelines or rules.

I'm sure that, decades ago, USAC's rules excluded people who had undergone gender reassignment surgery. I think it would be informative to research the reason why USAC changed their rules to permit males who have had their male genitals removed to compete in its women's competitions. I suggest that the reason could very well be because USAC was influenced by a widening of the IOC rules that occurred some years ago and USAC then fell into line with the IOC.

I think it is likely that most national governing bodies of sport will now be reviewing their rules and it's probably only a matter of months before USAC and other organisations fall into line with the new wider IOC guidelines.

"But telling individuals they can compete as women, and then having a personal campaign against them winning would be terrible for them."

Yes, I agree.