Trans people being allowed to compete against women in the Olympics

[OhShutUpThomas]

The Olympics are now allowing men who have taken hormones for 12 months compete against women.

It is NOT transphobic to say that this is grossly unfair and a huge violation of women's rights.

Women who have trained all their lives cannot be expected to compete against people with male bodies and who will be allowed roughly 4 times the normal female testosterone levels.

It's not on. We can't stand for it.

Please get behind this mumsnet. Someone needs to take a stand.

It's NOT transphobic to state that this is unfair. It really isn't.

Transwomen aren't really considered to have had the benefit of male priviledge so much as the absolute disadvantage of being trans...

That's entirely your opinion. And not one I share as a blanket generalisation.

ohshutup so in your universe all female bodies are the same

Not just my universe. Obviously everyone is different, different strengths and weaknesses - but yes, all female bodies are biologically the same. It's the reason that female specific doctors can do one degree, but treat all women.
Groundbreaking stuff!

and anyone with a female body could win the high jump if they only train hard enough?

Nope, never said that. You're doing a lot of putting words in people mouths over the last few posts, not very good netiquette.

So am I unique in celebrating and being inspired by the exploits of male athletes then?

Ofcourse it is possible to be inspired by men.

However, ice you are arguing for no differentiation between men and women, which would wipe out all participation by women at an elite level in the vast majority of sports.

There would be no space for girls on most school sports teams, unless there was differentiation by default because boys didn't want to play a particular sport.

Every woman would languish at the bottom of the park run league tables, and while women might participate in he marathon, there would be little sense of achievement.

I could go on and on.

sometimes although it worries me, it's better just to accept that things change and this might become the new norm. There are probably really good sides to this too that obviously are being overlooked.

There are probably really good sides to this too that obviously are being overlooked.

Yet nobody has explained what they are.

There are probably really good sides to this too that obviously are being overlooked.

Care to enlighten us?

It is absolutely wrong to suggest that we should just stfu and accept this as normal change. It's not.

There are probably really good sides to this too that obviously are being overlooked

Or alternatively, not.

well the treatment of Castor Semanya for example was down right disgraceful, hopefully if this happens again it won't drive the athlete to suicide.. or then there was the case of the East German ladies who were over dosed on testosterone and some even committed suicide later on..I do feel these kind of issues need to be out in the open

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Doping has nothing to do with transgenderism. The East Germans were doping - they weren't men who wanted to be women.

I'm not quite sure how this relates?

With any rules, there is just as much scope for mishandling. The new rules won't make any difference about that.

I would be very interested n hearing from the female athletes who have to compete against the trans ones.

Ice:
We can't all be great athletes lol
I'll never be great at sport because I'm not really interested in it & I couldn't be arsed to do the training. But that's the only thing that stops me from being the next gold medalist at most sports, my 'ambition' - not my body shape. Yes, your physical size etc puts you at a great advantage in some sports, ( gymnastics, tennis, swimming ) but you can't have a 10 different catogories for each sport all swimmers under 5ft this way, all swimmers between 5ft.1 & 5ft 6 go over there. But thinking about it, sport is one of the few areas where it really is open to all ( for those who can be bothered anyway ) I'd love to be a top model but I can't because I'm not tall,slim, & good looking < damn it >
We are never all completely equal - but we are all either born male or born female, & that's the one thing that should separate competitive sport ( or the vast majority of it anyway )

Icebeing you are sounding increasingly desperate

don't they have differing 'weights' in boxing? I don't see why that can't some how be incorporated here..the thing is though without bringing it up things will never change and maybe it's a two steps back but three steps forward kind of situation

well a Jamaican or a Kenya is clearly at an advantage in springs or long distance running..but for some reason we seem to celebrate that

I admit I'm not particularly interested in the Olympic games but I do feel that we have arrived at a point where something's gotta give..what that is I don't really know

don't they have differing 'weights' in boxing? I don't see why that can't some how be incorporated here

So you'd be happy to see male v female boxing matches?

In comparison I view the trans women cyclists who've been winning races as cheats. They as a class have physiological advantages that outweighs any physiological advantage a individual woman might have, so they will dominate any women's events they can enter. That doesn't inspire me at all.

A transwoman competing in the mens event I would find inspiring however. Or a transwoman being the fastest trans woman in the world.

Trans women aren't the same as women.

I do feel that we have arrived at a point where something's gotta give..what that is I don't really know

Yes. Either common sense, and the sense of entitlement of a tiny percentage of the male-born population - or women's rights.

Hmmm......now which one usually gets thrown under the bus.....?

(Common sense was supposed to be with women's rights there, but you get the idea)

Quite Maryz.