Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Site stuff

Join our Innovation Panel to try new features early and help make Mumsnet better.

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

999 replies

TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

OP posts:
Thread gallery
12
SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 15:02

@randallflagg1

I've rejoined. My previous incarnation was on the list. Seeing your username, IP and password published does give one a case of the willywags. I can only imagine how the people who were swatted must feel.

As a longtime mumsnet user I am not going to let this spoil my enjoyment of the site.

Peace and love.

We're properly delighted to hear that randallflagg1 - and thank you all very much indeed for the support.

akkakk · 19/08/2015 15:02

SkipToTheGoodBit it goes to Z
you might be looking at something I have posted where I had to split it due to MN character limits - the third post finished after R - the 4th post gives S-Z

Piratejones · 19/08/2015 15:02

so about 500 Mumsnet users (That we know of) fell for a phishing scam, including the Techs and other staff?

sebsmummy1 · 19/08/2015 15:04

Still waiting for my account to be deregged ......... Please.

sliceofsoup · 19/08/2015 15:05

fearisdarkness do you have RL support right now? I know that this is worrying and upsetting, but your reaction does seem a little disproportionate. I hope there is someone you can speak to who can be there for you.

Lavenderice · 19/08/2015 15:06

Me too sebsmummy

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 15:06

@middlings

MNHQ, please take the site down until you've sorted this.

I don't understand it all, but it would appear that you don't either and as much as the support offered here is invaluable, I think that keeping the site up is only going to cause more worry. I don't think there is any point in deregging as I suspect that's a case of shutting the stable door. But I would like me posting history deleted.

I'm sure that's way down your list but I can't be the only one.

I'll report this post now.

Mail [email protected] with a request to delete your history middlings? Justine responded to the question of whether or not to take the site down on this thread

lavazzzalover · 19/08/2015 15:07

Ive also done a new email just for MN. Cannot log in to the old account even though I've just changes the password. Bizzare.

randallflagg1 · 19/08/2015 15:07

Afaik/can see those of us on the list fell for a classic redirect. Hence the info they've collated only being log in info.

It's not pleasant, but I think calm needs to prevail.

Girlinthefireplace · 19/08/2015 15:07

Mine was on there. I'm auto logged (haven't physically signed in for months) in so don't understand how they got my password Confused

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 15:09

...Why would someone do that? What were they hoping to gain?...

You only needed to be here last night and hear the song that this group chose to lace their website with to have a fairly good idea, I'm afraid. (Luckily, it's now gone.)

It was violently racist and sexist in ways which beggar belief: I have a very strong stomach and I still couldn't listen to it all the way through. There was an awful lot of anger there and while they may not have been the ones singing it, they nonethless chose it for their site.

MissDuke · 19/08/2015 15:10

I just posted on the techy thread, but the password published on the list for me is over a year old I think - it is 7 digits so pretty sure that proves it is old? I checked my emails and it looks like I changed it from that in April last year. So certainly in my case, not a recent phishing thing Confused

ExitPursuedByABear · 19/08/2015 15:10

But mine isn't and I have to sign in all the time on my ipad.

And it has been mentioned that some of the names mentioned are deceased.

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 15:10

To those waiting for dregs, apologies again; we're working as fast as we can.

wickedlazy · 19/08/2015 15:10

Not 500 mn users. At least 3000, possibly all who have logged from 6th August.

howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 15:10

If the Police are interested, I know some who thinks via this their mobile got hacked by Jeffrey.

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 15:11

@MissDuke

I just posted on the techy thread, but the password published on the list for me is over a year old I think - it is 7 digits so pretty sure that proves it is old? I checked my emails and it looks like I changed it from that in April last year. So certainly in my case, not a recent phishing thing Confused

Thanks MissDuke - feeding this info to tech

wickedlazy · 19/08/2015 15:12

6th August this year or last? Defo read a date somewhere.

fearisdarkness · 19/08/2015 15:13

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Footle · 19/08/2015 15:15

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 15:15

If it affects you then it's not nothing, fear, but I reckon it's not as bad for you as you think. I'm sure MNHQ will note your posts.

SusanMichelson · 19/08/2015 15:15

Cozie can I ask the name of the song? Or is it not very well known, ie Jeffo got his mates to make it up specially?

Don't say if you would rather not.

I trust it wasn't something like 'Mumsnet, Mumsnet, shove it up your bumsnet' to a dubstep bass or suchlike

MissDuke · 19/08/2015 15:15

Thanks Sarah, as I said before, I stay logged in and access mn through a bookmark so I am a bit vague about what my most recent password even was, but hopefully the 7 digit thing helps to show it was old.

wickedlazy · 19/08/2015 15:15

One of the intial question I posted last night but wasn't answered, was if hackers could access personal files through the app. Don't some apps require you agree to allow access to photographs etc?

RattusRattus · 19/08/2015 15:15

OK, I'm not on the list, but when I went to log on last night it prompted me to put my username in again, but an old username was on there rather than the one I've used for the last month or so. It also wouldn't accept my normal password so I had to request a password reset (annoyingly I reset it to my old password so I've got to reset it again). I've also had an email on my gmail account (which I don't use for MN) which is reporting suspicious log in from my iphone. God knows why and it's possible (and probable) it isn't linked but I'm just putting it out there.

This is just FYI, really, just to help add info to the scope of the general investigations.

Flowers to all at MN Towers. #baddayattheoffice Sad