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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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skyeskyeskye · 19/08/2015 14:32

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ChristineDePisan · 19/08/2015 14:32

fear - all our posts on MN are public (and MN get the copyright to them too!), so nothing has changed in that regard.

JustineMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:33

@Maryz

I'm sure you will all be delighted to know or maybe not that after being locked out since last night I'm now back Grin

No idea wtf is happening, do I need to read 3,000 posts to find out?

You've got mail - just sent you an email - would you mind checking? thanks

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:34

Hey everyone - just catching up with this thread now, and will answer qs as quickly as I;m able. For those asking why we haven't taken the site down, Justine has responded on the thread going into technical detail, which is over here.

fearisdarkness · 19/08/2015 14:34

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alibubbles · 19/08/2015 14:34

I have received the email form MNHQ 4 times, all to the same email address, wondering why, so off to check I'm not on the list, not just this username but all the others I've used in the 15 years+ I have been on here.

Maryz · 19/08/2015 14:36

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akkakk · 19/08/2015 14:37

Some people are asking why MN hasn't been taken down - we need to also balance that with the question of how would taking MN down help?

  • hacker wouldn't gain any more info (presumably they gained what they wanted before boasting about it)
  • others with access to the list can't login and do mischief (if all sessions are destroyed, all users logged off, password resets forced, then this can't happen and the list is useless anyway - if this is not the case, then MNHQ need to know...

other than that - reasons for keeping the site up:

  • somewhere safe amongst friends to discuss the issue
  • an easy way for MNHQ to communicate
  • not showing defeat to the hacker
  • commercial reasons to support advertising etc. (not a priority, but undoubtedly in the mix and without advertisers MN wouldn't exist)

on balance, as long as MNHQ have done what they say there is no reason to take the site down

SoleBizzzz · 19/08/2015 14:37

How do I find out if I was on the list as SoleBizzzz or SoleSource, please?

vvviola · 19/08/2015 14:37

fearisdarkness all your posts were always public. MN is a public site that can be searched via google etc.

I frequently read posts when I'm not logged in, and anyone can create an account to search by specific names.

All that was made public was usernames and password combinations (and some email & password combinations). And, if as MNHQ are saying, the password reset means that these aren't valid anymore anyway (with the exception of those who changed to the same password), then the private information - PMs etc - can no longer be accessed. (I think)

PetraDelphiki · 19/08/2015 14:38

Could I please just remind people NOT TO CLICK LINKS IN EMAILS...even if they come from Mumsnet....

And Mumsnet - maybe it would have been better to give instructions on how to get to the reset password/login page rather than a link? If we have been hacked for emails (who knows) then a phishing email with a link to click to reenter passwords would be pretty trivial....

DrDreReturns · 19/08/2015 14:38

How do I find out if my user name was on the list?

akkakk · 19/08/2015 14:38

emails from MN
if anyone is worried about safety of emails they receive from MN - simple rule is read email and then type in the MN url yourself - don't click as the URL you see can hide another behind it... if you go to MN and type it in you will be safe (assuming it is a genuine mumsnet.com url - but you might need to work that one out :))

Fugghetaboutit · 19/08/2015 14:39

How did he get Justine's and the other members addresses?! I hope you're both ok how disturbing.

What an arsehole twat to do. Women are an easy target for him I guess, fucking coward.

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 14:39

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Girlinthefireplace · 19/08/2015 14:39

LimeJellyforBrains I was trying for a "

MadrigalElectromotive · 19/08/2015 14:39

Thanks for posting that link Hermione - very interesting, and accurate I think. Sad

Piratejones · 19/08/2015 14:40

if you go to MN and type it in you will be safe

And yet, we were not

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:41

@SoleBizzzz

How do I find out if I was on the list as SoleBizzzz or SoleSource, please?

Neither that I can see, SoleBizzzz

PetraDelphiki · 19/08/2015 14:41

Thanks akkakk for clarifying! It's still good to remind people not to click in emails from banks/ebay/paypal etc saying "click here to log in"...in the same way as if you get a call from the bank saying there's a problem you should always call back on a separate line to the main number rather than talk to the random stranger on the phone who calls you!

SoleBizzzz · 19/08/2015 14:41

Where is the list?

fearisdarkness · 19/08/2015 14:41

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SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 14:42

@Fugghetaboutit

How did he get Justine's and the other members addresses?! I hope you're both ok how disturbing.

What an arsehole twat to do. Women are an easy target for him I guess, fucking coward.

We think via Google, Fugghetaboutit - both very easy to find

SoleBizzzz · 19/08/2015 14:43

O.K thank you Sarah. I tried to log in here yesterday about 25 times so I changed my password instead, not knowing anything about this.

PlayingSolitaire · 19/08/2015 14:43

Appologies for posting this again, but I think it's an important question. I have also posted it on the technical thread.

WHAT ABOUT THE CENSUS DATA?