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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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noblegiraffe · 19/08/2015 15:16

Right, if MissDuke's published password is from before the Heartbleed reset and we know that logins and passwords were published during the Heartbleed hack, doesn't that fit with what I posted earlier about more recent data being mixed with Heartbleed-hacked data?

MeetMeInTheMorning · 19/08/2015 15:16

Why are mumsnet still saying there was a forced password reset for all when you can pick a name and password at random and log in as that person with no problem?

AndDeepBreath · 19/08/2015 15:17

Is there a chance that friends or family members are still using deceased accounts occasionally? Or that the people aren't really deceased? clutching at straws

auntpetunia · 19/08/2015 15:18

What's with the biscuit page? Just changed my email to a brand new one and the link takes me to a biscuit is that mn or the hackers. help

RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 15:18

@wickedlazy

6th August this year or last? Defo read a date somewhere.

This year wicked

MissDuke · 19/08/2015 15:18

Fearisdarkness As this is causing you so much distress, I wonder if it would be a good idea to setup an email address just for MN and then open a new MN account? That was surely it cannot be traced back to you. I am no techy expert mind you but might be worth a go. Also might be wise to get into the habit of changing your MN user name and password regularly.

I have never name changed on here but think I might start.

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 15:19

Not as far as I can see, Footle - but still take all your precautions. That list is the one that's out there at the moment but all MNers should be having regard to their security right now.

wickedlazy · 19/08/2015 15:19

The biscuit page could be tech checking/fiddling with the requested page? Sure it's frantic there atm.

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 15:19

@wickedlazy

One of the intial question I posted last night but wasn't answered, was if hackers could access personal files through the app. Don't some apps require you agree to allow access to photographs etc?

Passing that one on too, wickedlazy, as I'm not sure of the answer - will get back to you asap

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 15:20

Oh No, Susan - it was much much worse. (I have a very strong stomach indeed and it nearly made me vomit.)

RebeccaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 15:21

@auntpetunia

What's with the biscuit page? Just changed my email to a brand new one and the link takes me to a biscuit is that mn or the hackers. help

Do you have the URL please aunt ?

fearisdarkness · 19/08/2015 15:22

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auntpetunia · 19/08/2015 15:22

www.mumsnet.com/member/confirm-email/j8bkeammhgMuqKhoAukiJgkirtTe7ySPl15hE5xd0G13PdZGI0PzRTV
That's what I got off my tablet. I think that's what you want.

sliceofsoup · 19/08/2015 15:22

fearisdarkness I thought from your posts that may have been the case, and I hope you don't think I was attacking you or belittling your worries. It is worrying, it is scary, and I have had anxiety and depression before so I know how that magnifies everything.

I think you are worrying more than is necessary though. For this to affect your daily life the link between your posts and your email would have to be made by someone who knows you. The chances of someone who knows you getting hold of that info is very small. Even if the hackers do have your info, it is in a pile of thousands, and it would take time and effort to trawl through it all. And while I don't doubt that your posting history could affect you IRL, the chances of it being interesting or valuable to a hacker are tiny.

Right now, all you need to do is make sure you have changed the passwords on any account that you used the same password for MN.

It would be a shame for you to lose MN as a support because of this.

iwashappy · 19/08/2015 15:23

Just logged in and see you've put a warning up in the log in page to check it has the http bit on it before you log in, that wasn't there last night so good that you're taking further steps to tighten security.

Personally I think you're doing the right thing in leaving the site up.

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 15:24

@MeetMeInTheMorning

Why are mumsnet still saying there was a forced password reset for all when you can pick a name and password at random and log in as that person with no problem?

Sorry MeetMeInTheMorning - it's possible I'm being dense/my brain has short-circuited, but I'm not sure what you mean. We forced everyone to reset their passwords yesterday afternoon; it was up to you what you set it as, but you would not have been able to log in until you set it.

Whattocallme · 19/08/2015 15:25

Still can't change pass word, still haven't got email, still being ignored.

Footle · 19/08/2015 15:26

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Fiderer · 19/08/2015 15:26

SarahMumsnet Come to think of it, what with the all the kerfuffle and panic I've only just realised that my password on the list is also pre-Heartbleed.

That's why when I wasn't logged in recently, I thought I'd just forgotten the new one.

Alligatorpie · 19/08/2015 15:26

How do I find out if I am on the list?

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 15:27

Hi everyone,

Thanks for all the information you're posting; it's hugely useful. The fact that some of the passwords were very old is our current chief line of enquiry. Could anyone with information on that please email [email protected] ?

Thanks again
MNHQ

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 15:27

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VowelMovement · 19/08/2015 15:28

fearisdarkness I have made a new email this morning just for mumsnet, then de-regged and opened a new account with a new name, new email and password maybe you could do the same.

Don't lose the support you need from here, otherwise the idiot that caused all of this wins. Flowers

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 15:28

There are, I suspect, a lot of posters who go straight to bookmarks rather than logging in - and have not received the warning email yet even if they look at that email account. Unless you have a forced log out, I don't see how MNHQ can avoid even more criticism on that point. (And even so, I would put a short sitcky linking to Site Stiff at the top of every board on the site.)

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 15:28

@Fiderer

SarahMumsnet Come to think of it, what with the all the kerfuffle and panic I've only just realised that my password on the list is also pre-Heartbleed.

That's why when I wasn't logged in recently, I thought I'd just forgotten the new one.

Thanks loads Fiderer; could you email [email protected] with that info? Much appreciated.