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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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RebeccaMumsnet · 20/08/2015 08:24

shop Sit tight and we will give you the correct advice shortly as soon as we have it.

shopafrolic · 20/08/2015 08:25

Thanks RebeccaMumsnet

ScrambledSmegs · 20/08/2015 08:27

Iphone and Macbook, both Safari.

Lweji · 20/08/2015 08:27

Not sure about what is happening.
I changed password yesterday (I think I had been forced out) and this am I had trouble logging in. It felt like it coyld be another physhing attack, and reset my password again. Then the login looked better. With a green lock instead of the previous yellow lock that linked to daddy security.
I don't use email to login.

PolterGoose · 20/08/2015 08:27

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gholmes724 · 20/08/2015 08:28

I would get lastpass and get it to generate a long gibberish password for you, I have been doing this for every site I use for a while, it remembers them too so less stressy and no repetition.

cozietoesie · 20/08/2015 08:28

Rebecca

This was posted earlier by catzpyjamas

Password must be between 10-40 characters and include a combination of letters and at least one number or symbol. It must not be a password you have previously used.

Those are the rules I remember coming up when I changed password.

Lweji · 20/08/2015 08:29

If they are managing to physh passwords, complexity is irrelevant.

AllThatGlistensIs · 20/08/2015 08:30

iPad and IPhone here, not booted out on either. Both Safari.

cozietoesie · 20/08/2015 08:31

Safari. I knew it.

LoveandMonsters · 20/08/2015 08:32

Thanks Brew Cake to MNHQ.

For everyone else worried about this, DH is techie, and is going to sort out my internet security after this. He said you can get password generators which make a new p/w every time you log in although that sounds a right hassle

Also, don't leave your session logged in all the time - log out every night. Don't have zillions of windows open on your pc at once. Never use your normal e-mail address for anything on t'interweb, set up a new one for each use, eg. he has '[email protected]' '[email protected]' or whatever.

IP address won't give much away - ours frequently shows we're a hundred miles away.

RebeccaMumsnet · 20/08/2015 08:32

Ok, here are the parameters of the password:
10 characters
A mix of letters and at least one symbol or number
Can't be previous password

If you haven't been forced out, you should log out and choose a better password now

LoveandMonsters · 20/08/2015 08:33

I was booted out last night, btw, and did a new pw, and I could use symbols, which I couldn't before.

Arkkorox · 20/08/2015 08:45

I was booted out and Im on safari....

MNHQ was that another ddos attack? Couldn't get on for a while

howtorebuild · 20/08/2015 08:46

I logged out, unlocked keep me logged in. Entered a new password. It failed.

ScrambledSmegs · 20/08/2015 08:47

But what if I've already got one with the new parameters, that was done shortly before the reset?

Is that the reason that I haven't been forced to reset?

shopafrolic · 20/08/2015 08:47

Not convinced I'm going to reset again until the site is more stable TBH - it just crashed for a couple of mins......

goblindoor · 20/08/2015 08:49

Yup still being attacked- last was 8 minutes ago- unless that was a NMHQ event.

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 08:49

Can someone send me link to list please

AllThatGlistensIs · 20/08/2015 08:49

Okay, just requested reset and changed password again for the 97349883487298000th time and it sailed through, https all present and correct.

Better not be forced out now!

Do the gin levels need replenishing at HQ?

hashtagwhatever · 20/08/2015 08:50

Someone's trying to get into my dropbox

acatcalledjohn · 20/08/2015 08:51

I was unable to get to MN about 10 mins ago for approx 5 mins...not another attack?

JessicaMumsnet · 20/08/2015 08:51

@TheSpottedZebra

MNHQ please can you respond to the question re insight panel data? It was also asked on thread 2, but no reply that I can see. Sorry to chase...

Hi sorry for missing this earlier. Insight data is kept in a different system and protected with a username/password combination which is changed regularly and set by our tech team.
We have no reason to think this other system was compromised.

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 08:52

Looks like there still at it horrible individuals

XxCharlxX · 20/08/2015 08:54

Can someone please tell me how I find the list of people who got hacked freezing out and need to check if I'm on the list or not

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