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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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DixieNormas · 19/08/2015 21:18

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msgrinch · 19/08/2015 21:18

honey, that's what I was confuse about to. There's some in fight about them outing themselves and tumblr and reporting but surely then it would have been known. They started alot of dodgy threads that seem to use been deleted and reported. Hmm

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 19/08/2015 21:18

"Jeffery has a mate called Simon."

Yes, it's Simon's FB I'm looking at. Poor chap, he seems awfully young to be so cynical.

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 21:20

They all ganged up in Simon. Poor Simon.

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 21:20

i should imagine that screen dump with emails and contact names for media and charity people etc is to prove that they've been able to access other information and areas of mn data storage surely?

to discount the oh it's just phishing claims that have been made on here all day?

only logic i can think of for publishing them.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 19/08/2015 21:20

MmeTunnocks Hoping so :) Although, FB did have a phishing attack a few years ago ...

FuckOffJeffrey · 19/08/2015 21:20

Well the problem with posters who have only started posting today is that a lot of long term posters have activated new accounts and and name changed over the past 24 hours. I name changed last night for the first time since 2010.

321TeachUs · 19/08/2015 21:21

I don't know if this is important or irrelevant, but there are two versions of this page

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/2452169-Hackergate-thread-part-three-PLEASE-read#prettyPhoto

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/2452169-Hackergate-thread-part-three-PLEASE-read Is the one I am posting from. What's with the 'pretty photo' part on the end of the first? (Not linked just in case, you know...)

YellowTulips · 19/08/2015 21:21

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321TeachUs · 19/08/2015 21:22

oh, it makes links automatically now apparently. Who knew?!

NewNameNotTheSame · 19/08/2015 21:23

They've just dumped another load on twitter, all of MN partners emails, everyone who MN shares our details with apparently. @Dad_Sec

iamaboveandBeyond · 19/08/2015 21:24

Verify myself? Do you want the pombears, poo troll, brian and his yoni etc list? i've always been shite at remembering the actual list Grin

My doubts are just peculiarities that i spotted, i dont think i've already been compromised

But i cant verify the link, its the pastebin link which i took from wankbadgers twitter

NewNameNotTheSame · 19/08/2015 21:25

Oops thought I pressed send ages ago Grin

KateMumsnet · 19/08/2015 21:25

Hello all - could we request that you don't post external links on the thread at this time? We're investigating as you know, and it might muddy the waters a little.

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 21:25

They're really getting desperate now aren't they.

howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 21:26

That will do. Grin

Maryz · 19/08/2015 21:27

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MarchLikeAnAnt · 19/08/2015 21:27

I need to sleep. Wine and Cake for all.

CarriesBucketOfBlood · 19/08/2015 21:28

I am posting from the pretty photo one on my iPhone. I have no idea what the difference is.

I haven't been logged out, haven't logged in since I changed my password. Changed password on phone, have only used the site via phone since then.

RuckingMarvellous · 19/08/2015 21:29

I name changed last night - bit new here! But I've been absent most of the day. What on earth is going on ?

RuckingMarvellous · 19/08/2015 21:29

Not new here that should read!!

Maryz · 19/08/2015 21:29

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CarriesBucketOfBlood · 19/08/2015 21:30

321 See my previous post.

Tech?

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 21:30

Just remembered. A few days back, I clicked on a link in a post and my security system said 'Er........NO-O' and refused to open it. I can't remember when it was precisely but I mentioned it at the time.

howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 21:30

ignorant bliss