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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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StephanieBeacham · 19/08/2015 21:06

yellowtulips please elaborate so people know what you want them to click on - thanks

MmeTunnocks · 19/08/2015 21:07

Saskia
I was replying to Honey. Whose rather patronising response tells me that I'm wasting my time.

It's up to you if you want to investigate. I wouldn't risk it.

iamaboveandBeyond · 19/08/2015 21:07

Well thats an odd one. Surely all that info (a load of business email addresses) is in the public domain anyway? Confused

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 21:07

Jeffery has a mate called Simon.

GarlicDoughballsInGlitter · 19/08/2015 21:07

Is a post with the second data going to be put up like the first?

lastuseraccount123 · 19/08/2015 21:08

refresh refresh refresh

DixieNormas · 19/08/2015 21:08

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MrsSchadenfreude · 19/08/2015 21:09

Well this is a bit shit, isn't it?

Mumsnet security is clearly pants.

FuckOffJeffrey · 19/08/2015 21:10

LoveChickens - why does it have (you) after number 3874968?

I would have thought that would only show if that was a post written by you as opposed to a screen dump by someone just reading the thread?

YellowTulips · 19/08/2015 21:11

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hopperglove · 19/08/2015 21:11

I think Mumsnet have simply failed to realise the importance of investment in their systems over the years.

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 19/08/2015 21:11

Jeffrey, that doesn't surprise me. I've met quite a few who spit their dummies out when a woman beats them.

SuffolkNWhat · 19/08/2015 21:12

Interesting point FuckOff

KateMumsnet · 19/08/2015 21:12

Hello again - quick update from tech team about the site that you linked to Honeybadger, to say they've been aware and are investigating.

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 21:13

according to that thread the furbies on tumblr -furbs?? sorry i don't know reported them to mn anyway on the 14th because they were annoyed about them giving the wrong impression of 'otherkin'. so unless they didn't really report or the message was ignored mn would surely know about these guys and the website - as would the police if it has been handed on.

it's a mind boggling world out on the web.

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 21:13

Kate please let me know if tech need the screen shots etc

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 19/08/2015 21:14

MmeTunnocks Oh, I see - no, I wasn't planning to investigate, just thought I'd have a peep at his FB profile. I didn't expect to find it so open - seriously, I can see all his photos and posts. There's one pic of him in a very natty red uniform, it looks like he's in a marching band, or something similar.

SuffolkNWhat · 19/08/2015 21:14

Just beware of posters who have only been posting today

iamaboveandBeyond · 19/08/2015 21:14

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

WellWhoKnew · 19/08/2015 21:15

The domain 8chan.co[1] was registered by New York-based computer programmer Fredrick Brennan on October 22nd, 2013.[7] In September 2014, 4chan founder Christopher Poole (a.k.a. “Moot”) posted an announcement explaining why all GamerGate threads were being removed from the site, claiming that many were violating the site’s global “no personal information / raids / calls to invasion” rule (shown below). Many users subsequently flocked to 8chan as an alternative image board with fewer restrictions, began to mockingly refer to 4chan as “halfchan” and lamented the site’s demise with the expression “4chan is kill.”

Perhaps a little global assistance is required?

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 21:16

x-posts - yet we've still been led to believe it was all from phishing on log in pages? and these are posts you were apparently aware of on the 14th when some tumblr users reported it to you? so five days ago?

MmeTunnocks · 19/08/2015 21:16

Saskia
Looking on FB is pretty safe, I'd imagine. :)

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 21:16

not if the facebook addressed has been changed to a faux link that takes you to a fishing page it's not.

GallivantingCat · 19/08/2015 21:17

Great detective work on here! Grin I think it would have been so easy for people to be scared of MN, deactivate their accounts and not return, so I am pleased to see proactive investigating going on.

howtorebuild · 19/08/2015 21:17

Beyond was stating earlier she had concerns about her account. Beyond, please verify yourself before we link.