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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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KateMumsnet · 19/08/2015 20:18

@BoffinMum

We need a gin icon so we can send you some, MNHQ.

May the force be with you this evening, my friends.

This is very much appreciated. I'll take gin with a tiny splash of the force, please.

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 20:18

hacking a moderator's admin powers within the site. knew this wasn't just phishing - do hope someone from mnhq is bothering to read this and checking out that thread themselves

LoveChickens · 19/08/2015 20:19

Definitely not just phishing

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 20:20

Wine for mnhq.

zombiemeow · 19/08/2015 20:20

What will that allow him to do?

Does he seriously have nothing better to do Hmm

Arkkorox · 19/08/2015 20:20

Rebecca was the mod who had her post altered in the first attack if I'm right?

StephanieBeacham · 19/08/2015 20:21

I've reported your post HB in case they don't see it but I think they probably will anyway.

BoffinMum · 19/08/2015 20:21

He is basically using a link to invite someone to click which will then install some malicious code on RebeccaMumsnet's machine when she investigates a poster who has been reported.

He is probably a hacking virgin.

Bedsitland · 19/08/2015 20:21

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

StephanieBeacham · 19/08/2015 20:22

It totally goes against what he claimed about having someone on the inside Grin

anyone know any of the mods' names FFS.
twat

BoffinMum · 19/08/2015 20:22

It's actually having the desired effect as so many people are scared or paranoid. Sort of mega trolling.

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 20:22

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

zombiemeow · 19/08/2015 20:24

I have reported my own post and requested my posting history be deleted as I have put things about my dd who passed I would not want being thrown out everywhere Confused no idea if that is where this is going but just incase

KateMumsnet · 19/08/2015 20:24

@TheHoneyBadger

hacking a moderator's admin powers within the site. knew this wasn't just phishing - do hope someone from mnhq is bothering to read this and checking out that thread themselves

Thanks Honeybadger, I've drawn your posts to Tech's attention and I'm sure they'll be following the link up.

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 20:24

From what I can read and my slight knowledge about these things, this isn't just phishing and I really hope mnhq are reading this and the forum smalldick mc nolife is waffling on.

Arkkorox · 19/08/2015 20:26

They've been in here a while then Angry

GooodMythicalMorning · 19/08/2015 20:27

Woah. What lowlifes! How did you find all that?

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 20:28

Yeah they clearly have "profiles" and are using them to try and gain access, they're getting all excited and hyper about it.

LoopyLily · 19/08/2015 20:28
Shock
shopafrolic · 19/08/2015 20:29

TheHoneyBadger that is amazing, would love to know where all this stuff hides! Hopefully MN I'll jump on it....

StephanieBeacham · 19/08/2015 20:29

They have all that on the internet Grin

Oh my lord.

Someone needs to full on screenshot all of it before they delete.

I'm sorry I'm rubbish at screenshoting anything, I wish I could help.

StephanieBeacham · 19/08/2015 20:29

I mean what a bunch of wallies.

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 20:30

Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:33:12 No.3455676 Report

3455651
You think you could try to reset her password to lock her out?
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:33:18 No.3455681 Report
Quoted By: >>3455868
3455668
I'm going to lock her by changing email and password then I reckon I'll have anything from 10 minutes to a few hours to tear shit up.

If people want to join IRC get in here
#opchemo
rizon
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:33:24 No.3455685 Report

3455668
ask random users?

No just BTFO people and delete threads
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:36:45 No.3455707 Report
Quoted By: >>3455713 >>3455721 >>3456917 >>3456919

3454146

We could hijack sessions of anyone who visits a malicious page. I'll work on a POC exploit.
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:37:26 No.3455713 Report
Quoted By: >>3455737 >>3456917 >>3456919

3455707
I already tried cookie stealing, phishing was plan B
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:37:58 No.3455721 Report
Quoted By: >>3455728
3455707
How dare you exploit those harmless people of color!
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:38:46 No.3455728 Report
3455721
kek
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:40:11 No.3455737 Report
Quoted By: >>3455756
3455713
What do you mean by "tried"? It looks like its working for me. Does anyone have a hijacked VPS we could use? Unfortunately my last one has been reclaimed by its owner
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:40:20 No.3455742 Report
Hey guys, we got an irc going
its #opchemo
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:42:03 No.3455756 Report
Quoted By: >>3455777 >>3455793
3455737
I hosted some PHP script that should steal cookies, referers IP's ect. I then used the xss exploit to redirect to that page and then back to the mumsnet homepage.
It captured everything except the cookies.
3454973
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:45:31 No.3455777 Report
Quoted By: >>3455797
3455756

Why not the cookies? All you have to do is set a GET parameter to document.cookie
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:47:45 No.3455793 Report

3455756

Btw, it is less noticeable if you put the payload in a hidden iframe within a page with some other content.
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:48:05 No.3455797 Report
Quoted By: >>3455801

3455777
I don't know why it didn't work. You're welcome to try it out.

In other news I think my mumsnet account has been suspended and they've blocked making new ones.
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:49:21 No.3455801 Report
Quoted By: >>3455829 >>3455830

3455797
Can you make accounts through something like TOR?
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:51:41 No.3455829 Report
3455801
Not sure, I'm just using a VPN. They've stopped people making any accounts now.

We could always try this another day? Make a bunch of accounts in preparation.
I'll explain how to exploit the xss and the other anon can try make a working cookie stealing script.
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:51:47 No.3455830 Report

3455801
Apologies, but we're not accepting new user registrations at the moment. You're free to browse the site as a guest in the meantime.
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:55:44 No.3455858 Report
Quoted By: >>3455868
I have a working cookie stealing script, but I just need a server to host my php file…
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:56:04 No.3455860 Report
Anyone got an unbanned account still?
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 22:57:33 No.3455868 Report
3455858
Get in the IRC >>3455681
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 23:17:01 No.3456043 Report
Quoted By: >>3456056 >>3456083
Is this thread dead?
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 23:17:44 No.3456056 Report
3456043
We're all in IRC
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 23:21:19 No.3456083 Report
Quoted By: >>3456099
3456043
We're pretty close to hacking them
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 23:22:20 No.3456099 Report
Quoted By: >>3456146
3456083
Yep, dis gon b gud
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 23:28:33 No.3456146 Report
3456099
NO SURVIVORS!
Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 23:37:57 No.3456220 Report
Quoted By: >>3456582
Any newcomers come to the irc at #opchemo
Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2015 00:13:49 No.3456582 Report
3456220
update?

i don't have time to switch into irc.

have you accessed mod account
Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2015 00:15:38 No.3456603 Report
Quoted By: >>3456908
Hack is working
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Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2015 00:45:47 No.3456896 Report
Quoted By: >>3456910 >>3456927
Thoughts on this anons?
Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2015 00:47:04 No.3456908 Report

3456603
:^)
Anonymous Wed 15 Jul 2015 00:47:56 No.3456910 Report
3456896
Looks good. Sure they will fall for it.
I guess they haven't responded to the other one yet?

presumably mumsnet can easily check out if the dates and times fit with what they know.

MarchLikeAnAnt · 19/08/2015 20:31

Why didn't I think to copy and paste? Confused

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 20:33

someone linked to the page on this thread - i've just read and c&p'd bits - there are screen shots of the 'reports' they made to mods to get them to go to where they wanted them etc and the account names they were using etc. i don't know how to copy a screen shot or take one and i'm done i think.

i can't believe it takes mn'ers to do this stuff.

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