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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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Bellemere · 19/08/2015 19:59

Where, LoveChickens?

StephanieBeacham · 19/08/2015 19:59

KateMumsnet (MNHQ) Wed 19-Aug-15 19:45:12

Apologies, too, for what might look like a lull in MNHQ activity. We're waiting until the current DDoS has finished, and then we'll be back on it.

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Good grief! Put your feet up while you can! Brew

sebsmummy1 · 19/08/2015 19:59

Oh FFS I have been asking all bloody day for my account to be deregistered and it STILL isn't. Can someone please action my request. Please!!!!!

MarchLikeAnAnt · 19/08/2015 19:59

Blistory*

LoveChickens · 19/08/2015 20:00

mobile.twitter.com/dad_sec

LoveChickens · 19/08/2015 20:01

Yeah you're probably right .. I'm done. Flowers

KateMumsnet · 19/08/2015 20:01

Just quickly, in case people haven't seen it, you can find a page where we've gathered some of the FAQs of the last couple of days over here. We're going to be adding new information and updating this page regularly so it's worth checking back every now and again.

LoveChickens · 19/08/2015 20:01

Oh FFS I have been asking all bloody day for my account to be deregistered and it STILL isn't. Can someone please action my request. Please!!!!!

Don't you think they've got anything better to do?! Come on, cut them some slack!

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 20:02

a quote from that page that might be teling:

If we can get the XSS to work then my plan is for someone to send the link to my profile to a moderator pretending to report me or something, I'll have script execute that will steal their auth cookie and send it to me and then I can login as a mod.
At the moment though it only seems to be executing on my account but not for others.
Were you signed into an account when you clicked the link?

blowinahoolie · 19/08/2015 20:02

Why wasn't this in the media last week when DadSecurity compromised the security?? I couldn't log in last week, and it's only when someone has been swatted that it comes to light. It should have been publicised much earlier than today, tbh. Not impressed.

KateMumsnet · 19/08/2015 20:04

@sebsmummy1

Oh FFS I have been asking all bloody day for my account to be deregistered and it STILL isn't. Can someone please action my request. Please!!!!!

We're so sorry sebsmummy - as you can imagine we're a bit swamped with requests of various kinds over here, but we promise we're working around the clock to carry them out as quickly as possible.

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 20:04

Deary me, that sites like the worst of society in one place. My mind will never be the same.

MarchLikeAnAnt · 19/08/2015 20:07

I would delete your cookies and stuff after visiting it msgrinch

StephanieBeacham · 19/08/2015 20:08

Good work Honeybadger.

MmeTunnocks · 19/08/2015 20:08

Sebsmummy
You aren't the only person requesting assistance and you might get more response if you asked nicely and didn't demand they ACTION your request.

msgrinch · 19/08/2015 20:08

I have done. I'd like to delete my memory as well. They're a right bunch of creeps.

BoffinMum · 19/08/2015 20:10

We need a gin icon so we can send you some, MNHQ.

May the force be with you this evening, my friends.

Arkkorox · 19/08/2015 20:11

Going back to the iTunes thing I got a random request to sign into my iTunes account earlier. I didn't sign in so hopefully anything going on hasn't worked but now I'm questioning everything lol

SuffolkNWhat · 19/08/2015 20:13

I had that too Ark just cancelled each request, it happened after I changed my password.

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 20:13

and from the same user on the same thread on the same topic:

Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 20:38:46 No.3454620 Report
Quoted By: >>3454681 >>3454693
Just setting up the cookie catching script now.
Then I'll need a volunteer to send my account to a mod in a pm asking them to check it out for inappropriate content or something.
Does anyone know any of the names of the mods?

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 20:14

next:

Anonymous Tue 14 Jul 2015 20:49:22 No.3454693 Report
Quoted By: >>3454737 >>3454813

3454681
3454620
RebeccaMumsnet (MNHQ)

found a mod

NerrSnerr · 19/08/2015 20:15

Sebsmummy- it is 8.15pm now. I bloody hope those working at MNHQ are doing to essentials to keep the site safe and ordering a huge dominoes while they're at it.

You're not the only person asking for help and they probably have bigger fish to fry at the moment.

zombiemeow · 19/08/2015 20:16

What's he doing TheHoneyBadger? I know fa about this stuff Confused

AliceAlice1979 · 19/08/2015 20:17

Brew CakeFlowers and Wine for all at MNhQ. Don't let the sad man with an obviously small dick win.

TheHoneyBadger · 19/08/2015 20:17

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