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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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Rainicorn · 19/08/2015 19:40

Thanks Nicole, I'd forgot I hadn't had that email address linked on my iPad so no email had been received Blush. All sorted now.

KateMumsnet · 19/08/2015 19:41

@BrumpyGollocks

Any one on the mobile site?

I'm on iPhone and have a little blue pop up bar at the right bottom corner of the screen saying along the lines of " mumsnet site attacks and what to do"
Is this a legit link?
It's not been there long.

Hello BrumpyGollocks - yes, this is legit. We use these to alert MNers to webchats and the like generally, but today we're linking to a page where we're compiling various questions MNers have asked about the site, and MNHQ's answers.

MarchLikeAnAnt · 19/08/2015 19:41

How do I pop the screen grabs on here? The paperclip thing doesn't work. Blush

It's near the bottom of the page, but it has changed position. There are a few more threads that link from it.

Love chickens could probably direct you to one of them

IgnoreMeEveryOtherReindeerDoes · 19/08/2015 19:41

Wouldn't venture over to that site its grim.

LoveChickens · 19/08/2015 19:42

It's awful. Need brain bleach.

BrumpyGollocks · 19/08/2015 19:43

Thanks for clarifying katemumsnet

theresabadgeratmynannas · 19/08/2015 19:43

Is there a delay for people trying to change their e mail addresses?

WalfordEast · 19/08/2015 19:43

You know what makes me giggle- they are poking fun at people with MH issues; yet they must suffer from them themselves if they think this is normal behaviour Confused. Why not just stand in front of a mirror and laugh at yourself? Surely much easier and much less likely to get you into shit; no?

Blistory · 19/08/2015 19:44

I wouldn't link to other threads or get involved so publicly. It's not worth it.

PM MNHQ if you think you have anything worth pursuing

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 19/08/2015 19:44

I've changed my password a couple times over the last 24-36 hours, never once received a confirmation email. Hmm

KateMumsnet · 19/08/2015 19:45

Apologies, too, for what might look like a lull in MNHQ activity. We're waiting until the current DDoS has finished, and then we'll be back on it.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 19/08/2015 19:45

KateMumsnet can you confirm please if we are supposed to get a confirmation email when we change passwords? Confused

Catonthematwiththehat · 19/08/2015 19:46

To the person who said about the fake top bar that said tou had messages, I had that too and clicked on it but I don't think I'm on the list.

Sorry - can't find your message now!

MarchLikeAnAnt · 19/08/2015 19:46

Have you had a look at the 8chan site MNHQ? I know nothing about tech but maybe it will help you catch Jeffrey.

JackSkellington · 19/08/2015 19:49

MNHQ: don't know if it's at all useful information, I guess not much can be done, but the list has been copied numerous times a popular paste site (don't know if I should link it publicly)?

KateMumsnet · 19/08/2015 19:51

@WalfordEast

I never got an email yesterday asking me to reset my password- I just couldn't log in, so asked for a reset request and reset it with the link I was given. Should I worry now?!??!

Don't worry WalfordEast. We can't be sure why you haven't received an email, but if you requested a password request and followed that link you'll be fine.

LoveChickens · 19/08/2015 19:54

He's back on Twitter

TidyDancer · 19/08/2015 19:54

I just changed my password again but via my profile page. I didn't follow an email link and didn't get a confirmation email afterwards....is this okay or should I not have done this?

KateMumsnet · 19/08/2015 19:55

@AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore

KateMumsnet can you confirm please if we are supposed to get a confirmation email when we change passwords? Confused

Hello Alice - I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, but I'll double check now and get back to you asap.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 19/08/2015 19:56

TidyDancer that's the way I changed mine as well, through the profile page.

FarelyKnuts · 19/08/2015 19:57

Some Muppet is trolling Facebook pretending to be admin too by the way (just in case you've not enough on your plates!)
MMHQ!

CrystalCove · 19/08/2015 19:57

Im the same as Tidydancer - havent received any email but changed it on own page.

Hackedabove · 19/08/2015 19:58

How bloody tedious.

MarchLikeAnAnt · 19/08/2015 19:58

History is right, its probably best we don't get involved chickens.

Whattocallme · 19/08/2015 19:59

I'm trying to change through my account link

Still saying error. Angry