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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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GraysAnalogy · 19/08/2015 17:44

Thankyou for checking that for me Loopy

ChristineDePisan · 19/08/2015 17:44

Grays - no, you're not

The list in a separate thread by akkakk, in alphabetical order if anyone needs to check their usernames

diddl - the spam attacks on your email address are outside of MN's control, so you should get support from your email provider rather than (the v over worked) Tech.

GraysAnalogy · 19/08/2015 17:44

and altinkum thanks

I've changed my password earlier, but I'll do it again,

GooodMythicalMorning · 19/08/2015 17:45

Oh no. Hope tech can sort it soon Sad

Arkkorox · 19/08/2015 17:45

Oh I thought it was my internet clitching! Has Jeffrey got his mates round for hacking and pizza night I wonder

LoopyLily · 19/08/2015 17:45

The list does actually say 3000+ so it's not exactly 3000.
They did state there was more to come though, I can't remember if that was on the mumsnet thread last night or on Twitter.

randallflagg1 · 19/08/2015 17:46

Keep up the good work MNHQ, we will fight them on the forum, we will correct their spelling and grammar - we will take their bog brushes. We will stand firm.

JackSkellington · 19/08/2015 17:47

No Carries, it's an attempt to make the site inaccessible by overloading the servers. It's easy to do, I wouldn't even refer to them as hackers.

SnapesCapes · 19/08/2015 17:47

I've had three emailed from Mumsnet this afternoon; the first saying my account is on the list of names, and to log in and change my password, the following two saying I've asked for my account to be deleted, and that MNHQ will get back to me. I've not asked for my account to be deleted at all; I assume this is part of the hacking now?

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 17:47

Hey all,

was coming on to post about the DoS attack but RebeccaMN beat me to it. Obviously this has had knock on effects in MNHQ; will keep you updated and again apologies.

Sarah

ghostspirit · 19/08/2015 17:48

looks like we are going to have to change pass words several times

VioletTrevette · 19/08/2015 17:48

Can someone check if I'm on the list please ?

I changed my password when MN reset it so everyone had to but do I have to change it again ? Hmm

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lavazzzalover · 19/08/2015 17:51

I dont understand what is going on. I created a new account last night with fake name & DOB etc and created a new email address specifically for this site.

But I tried to log on to the old account after changing my password and I cannot. I want it gone.

TheFormidableMrsC · 19/08/2015 17:51

This is dreadful...must be an utter nightmare at MNHQ...

Sending Flowers and Wine

akkakk · 19/08/2015 17:51

3038 entries if anyone is interested :)

there is no way of knowing if this is a complete list or not - but if not then the level of intelligence used in making it look complete is higher than normally found in this type of attack :)

if really intelligent you don't boast about it on twitter!

LoopyLily · 19/08/2015 17:54

I don't know if it's been added to this thread but F4J have issued a statement [http://www.fathers-4-justice.org/2015/08/fathers4justice-statement-about-mumsnet-founder/]
If it has I'm sorry for repeating I couldn't go through all the pages.

randallflagg1 · 19/08/2015 17:54

We will burn their flannels and enforce a daily bedding changing regime. They will be defeated.

Wine Flowers MNHQ + Tech.

Quills · 19/08/2015 17:54

I would suspect this latest DDoS is an attempt to block the forced logout MNHQ were planning? Which suggests that dear Jeffrey knows his list becomes useless when that happens, and he hasn't got anything from today...though that, of course, is pure conjecture.

Well done and a large G&T to all working hard at MNHQ.

diddl · 19/08/2015 17:55

"diddl - the spam attacks on your email address are outside of MN's control, so you should get support from your email provider rather than (the v over worked) Tech."

Wasn't suggesting that MN or tech do anything, was wondring if anyon had any ideas.

Donchewwantmebaby · 19/08/2015 17:57

Hi,
Is anyone able to check if I am on the list please?

TIA

hopperglove · 19/08/2015 18:06

THe site still seems a bit unstable- are there ongoing issues?

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