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Hackergate thread part three - PLEASE read

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TheOnlyOliviaMumsnet · 19/08/2015 12:10

Hi all,

This thread is about to max out please continue here and we will update with info as an when we have it.

We will get to all emails and reports but it may take some time Huge apologies.

Here is Justine's OP from the previous thread:

On the night of Tuesday 11 August, Mumsnet came under attack from what's known as a denial of service (DDoS) attack. Our servers were bombarded with requests, which required our internet service provider to massively increase server capacity to cope. We were able to restore the site at 10am on Wednesday 12 August. Meanwhile a Twitter account, @DadSecurity, claimed responsibility, saying in various tweets "Now is the start of something wonderful", "RIP Mumsnet", "Nothing will be normal anymore" and "Our DDoS attacks are keeping you offline".

To add to the 'fun', it seems @DadSecurity also resorted to Swatting attacks. Swatting is a criminal practice in which someone makes an emergency call to the police claiming that a crime is taking place at the house of the intended victim, in order to get them to send a swat team to the address.

An armed response team turned up at my house last week in the middle of the night, after reports of a gunman prowling around. A Mumsnet user who engaged with @DadSecurity on Twitter was warned to "prepare to be swatted by the best" in a tweet that included a picture of a swat team, after which police arrived at her house late at night following a report of gunshots. Needless to say, she and her young family were pretty shaken up. It's worth saying that we don't believe these addresses were gained directly from any Mumsnet hack, as we don't collect addresses. The police are investigating both instances.

@DadSecurity also claimed that he had access to Mumsnet user data. Later on 12 August, it became apparent that someone/ones had hacked into some of Mumsnet's administrative functions, at which point they were able to redirect our homepage to the @DadSecurity Twitter profile page, as well as to edit posts from two users' account and an MNHQ account on our forums.

Someone claiming to be the hacker also posted on the thread on which users were discussing the site outage. We immediately locked down all access to our admin functions and reported the attack to the police. We were confident that users' passwords had not been accessed, because MNHQ doesn't hold them as plain text; they're all encrypted, so that no one - not even us - can see them.

However, over the weekend, a user reported that posts had been made under her name which weren't by her, and we spotted two other cases where this had happened. This clearly suggested that the hacker had nonetheless been able to get hold of some users' passwords.

Our best guess at this stage (and it is just a best guess) is that this has been done via a form of phishing, in which the hacker creates a fake Mumsnet login page to which users are directed when clicking on our login button. The page would have had a different url but otherwise would look just like the usual page. The hacker would have been able to see passwords in plain text when they were typed in.

We take great care to protect the information you give us and not to ask for or store any more information than we need to run the site, but though we can't know how many accounts have been affected, there have been enough breaches for us to ask all Mumsnet users to change their passwords. As a result, you'll no longer be able to log in to Mumsnet with your current password, and will need to create a new one, here.

This will mean that any passwords the hacker has been able to harvest up to this point will be useless. We are looking into what we can do to strengthen our defences against phishing, but in the meantime we need to ask you to be vigilant, and to check the URL of the login page for the foreseeable future. The correct URL is www.mumsnet.com/session/login and it reads rather than at the beginning. We will place a warning on the login page reminding you to do this.

Alternatively use the social login option (ie Facebook/Google) as then you won't be required to enter a password. And if you log into any other sites using the same password that you use on Mumsnet, it makes sense to change your password on those sites, too.

We're really sorry for the alarm and inconvenience this might cause, and we realise you're likely to have further questions about what's been happening, so here's a summary of answers to the most obvious questions.

You say the hacker was able to access Mumsnet users' data: was data from my personal account accessed?
We have no way of knowing how many Mumsnetters were affected - so far we have evidence of 11 user accounts being hacked but it's an ongoing investigation. Those users have been informed, and their passwords have been reset. We think it prudent, however, that everyone reset their passwords - which in any case is a sensible thing to do from time to time.

What data could the hacker see?
By using your password and login, he would have been able to see the data on your profile - so that includes your username or email plus your password, your postcode if you've supplied it, your username history and your Mumsnet inbox.

Now that I've changed my password, can you guarantee that my data is safe?
Unfortunately, we can't give you a cast-iron guarantee of this - no site can. By forcing a password reset the hacker won't be able to log in as you; however, if phishing was the cause, the page could be phished again, which is why it's important that you check the URL of the login page when you enter your details, or use your social login. If the URL is anything other than www.mumsnet.com/session/login, don't use it.

Final thoughts
The internet is of course brilliant, but it's not 100% safe and secure. Whenever you share anything on the web, either publicly (such as on a Mumsnet thread) or privately (such as the data you give to a website when signing up), have a think about how happy you'd be for that information to fall into the hands of someone else. Make your passwords as secure as possible and change them every few months. Use different passwords for different accounts. Close redundant accounts that you no longer use.

And if you read nothing else...
I do realise this post is long, so here's a quick summary:

DO reset your Mumsnet password
DO make passwords really strong to reduce the risk of them being guessed
DO check the URL of any login page to reduce risk of phishing
DO verify that is being used on login pages
DO use social login to avoid typing passwords
DON'T give out information to any organisations without verifying they are who they say they are (such as the fake @mumsnetsupport twitter account that had also been started but has now been removed by Twitter)

Please post here or mail us on [email protected] with any questions or thoughts. As you can imagine our inbox is fairly voluminous at the moment but we'll get back to you as quickly as we can.

Thanks very much for reading,

Justine

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akkakk · 19/08/2015 16:09

Maryz as - mentioned above - some people have apparently reset with their old password as they didn't know why they were being asked :) a message would have been helpful...

sadly once reset with the old password, the system won't ask for another reset as it will simply see it as having been reset...

those logged in will have their sessions maintained (different from passwords) and thus that is a red herring

MNHQ tech confirmed to me after I questioned a post by one of MNHQ staff - that all passwords have had a forced reset, but they didn't prevent the previous one being reused - probably a balance of speed / functionality

I suspect that we will see another forced password reset very soon to a much higher level of security

anyone on the list should make sure that they invent a new password and reset it to that

all other MN members should do the same :)

Bakeoffcake · 19/08/2015 16:12

This is a really silly question, but how do you set up a new email address? Thank you.

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 16:12

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Notthehacker · 19/08/2015 16:12

That @segw_ Twitter account that the hacker is now using appears to be a MNers account - references to grips, MN type themes, equal pay etc.

So looks like someone with the same password on Twitter as MN.

ifigoup · 19/08/2015 16:15

Bakeoffcake, you can go to somewhere like Hotmail.com or Gmail.com and follow the "register" link. You can set up as many free e-mail addresses as you like.

cozietoesie · 19/08/2015 16:15

That's a valid concern, Maryz. A close friend of mine had an extensive list of valid user names and passwords for an extremely large commercial site, any of which could have been used at any time. The site eventually required a password change for separate reasons entirely but until that point - some 6 years - they were all potentialy useable.

I simply don't understand why, in the circumstances, there's not a complete ending of current sessions. There's so much uncertainty that it seems like a natural thing to do. Fairly low profile and yet defensible as well.

Notthehacker · 19/08/2015 16:17

Bakeoffcake.

I'd recommend gmail (Google) if you go to gmail.com there is a join / register option and set up there.

You can set up forwarding from your old email to your new one to pick up any emails from friends you might miss, just make sure you change the dangerous ones (bank, social media etc) email account to the new one. It's onerous, but worth it.

MmeTunnocks · 19/08/2015 16:18

akkakk
yes, that's what I think too - that people didn't realise they were being asked to reset their passwords, so just used the old one by mistake. The issue was actually that old passwords were still allowed, not that the reset didn't work properly.

Whattocallme · 19/08/2015 16:18

I'm wondering if my posts aren't showing to anyone but me as no one is answering me. Please can someone let me know if they can see my posts?

TheSpottedZebra · 19/08/2015 16:18

MNHQ please can you respond to the question re insight panel data? It was also asked on thread 2, but no reply that I can see. Sorry to chase...

Whatthefucknow · 19/08/2015 16:19

My Twitter account won't open now. But I see the the list has been reposted since the first place it was posted is now suspended. Shouldn't Twitter suspend the new account?
I would really like to delete all my threads too Sad

TheSpottedZebra · 19/08/2015 16:19

I can see your posts, What!

Arkkorox · 19/08/2015 16:19

whattocallme I can see them

MmeTunnocks · 19/08/2015 16:20

I can see your posts, Whattocallme, but only saying that you are being ignored. Did you name change at some point?

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 16:20

Hey all, SO sorry I went awol - was speaking with the police. Will go back and try to respond to everyone now.

Rubberduck2 · 19/08/2015 16:22

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akkakk · 19/08/2015 16:22

cozie I posted this on Marqz's thread:

a decision was made not to - and there isn't any technical reason to log people off...

  • by forcing a reset no-one else could log in as you / you couldn't login in on another machine anyway...
  • your current session is maintained - meaning that you on your current computer can carry on until you log out - but that doesn't allow anyone else to be you...
  • maintaining calm / lack of panic is helpful - if everyone was logged out, it could look like decisive action - but it would also panic a lot of people who would then email MN as they would have anxiety about what to do etc. - meaning more workload on MN

as there is no technical reason to log people out and lots of reason not to I guess that is why the decision was made

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 16:23

Just before I do: can I say again that if folk have specific information wrt old emails, pws, anything else out of the ordinary, could you mail [email protected] ? Thanks very much.

Arkkorox · 19/08/2015 16:23

rubberduck I think lunchtime was when the whole site had to reset the password

PegsPigs · 19/08/2015 16:23

I would advise anyone with any concerns to do another reset using offical links. Can't hurt.

akkakk · 19/08/2015 16:23

Rubberduck2

if unsure - just reset it... only takes a few seconds :)

I would suggest that if not forced to by MN changing the password system all users might wish to reset once this calms down anyway...

Bakeoffcake · 19/08/2015 16:23

if and Not thank youFlowers

Altinkum · 19/08/2015 16:24

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Whattocallme · 19/08/2015 16:25

Thank you, The spotted zebra and Ark.

As I can't change my password can someone please advise me what I need to do, thank you?

SarahMumsnet · 19/08/2015 16:25

And: a further update. We hope to have code in place that will force users to choose a complex password in the next hour. At that point, we will force a log out and oblige everyone to reset their password. Please don't worry when this happens: it is MNHQ doing it, not the hacker. I'll start another thread alerting people to the fact this is going to take place.