FWR split continued

[RebeccaMumsnet]

We have decided to start a new thread about this as the other thread was near capacity and taking a while to load.

Here is Justine's post from earlier on

We can give a Radical Feminism topic a go if that's what people want and see if it works. Obviously we need to be crystal clear that no one is obliged to post in one particular place and no one should feel excluded from any topic but we could test it out, and see if it helps resolve tensions. We'll do that in the next few days.

There are a couple of other things to think about as well.

First, those who come onto FWR to derail and inflame. We acknowledge that we have been too slow in the past to spot these posters for what they were. We're sorry about that and hope we're a lot quicker at dealing with them now. We're all for opinions but we do draw the line at posters whose only obvious intent is to goad.

And secondly, this idea that FWR can be an unwelcoming place to those who aren't following the 'party line'. Judging by posts on recent threads and by our inbox this is a view of a significant number of Mumsnetters and obviously that's not a healthy situation. Mumsnet is a place for discussion and for diverse opinion and it's the exchange of ideas and tolerance of differing opinions that makes it the board it is.

We do hope threads like this help to clear the air a bit and remind everyone that, whatever the differences of opinion, the FWR board will only ever be the stimulating, thought-provoking, enriching place we'd all like it to be if people feel that they can express themselves without being jumped on.

Please do continue to let us know your thoughts.

It isn't purely about one poster, dittany, is it? Yes, she is the keenest to call people 'rape apologist', and 'anti-feminist', and generally belittle anyone who fails to see the world in the way she does, and is adept at turning any disagreement into a 'victim-waving' card opportunity.
But there is a whole other supporting cast who are far more interested in beating a drum, to sound out anyone else's viewpoint, so posters wander off over time. And yes, the FWR seems to have flourished in the past week or so, and that isn't coincidental.

Moving the chairs around isn't a solution. And the mutual suspicions and open contempt is at such a level that the immediate future doesn't hold out much of a good prognosis.

THE TARGET MOVES TO BEACH?

Are you totally fucking insane?

Oh soz, am I allowed to address you?

That is a fair point, dittany and Sakura felt hounded off and left. How many other posters of various feminist positions have felt the same... I can think of a handful but apparently naming names is not acceptable. That is the problem we cannot be a welcome board while there is playing politics and a lack of purposeful focus on feminism.

I have seen plenty of posters hounded not only out of FWR but off Mumsnet - I have had posters on the phone in floods of tears after seeking support and being vilified.

But you know what - they actually leave.

I am member of a FB group - you know what we do - provide the support to each other we should be able to get here.

You know how many threads we report - none, how many times we "call to arms" none. Occasionally (maybe once every few months) we link threads for a laugh, or even a cry.

It's a support group - for people who NEED support and felt hounded here.

So you know how much sympathy I have for all this woe is me stuff that's going on - none. Because if you felt that bullied, vilified or got at - you'd do what most of the posters in my group have done - move away from Mumsnet and find alternative forms of support.

If you can't get what you need from Mumsnet - stop trying to bend it to your purposes and move on from it.

Tell you what all you offended ones, why not all strop off and the rest of us will just get on with it in peace?

Agree with ThePan.

Fucking hell, Hully.

What happened to PARD?

We did that one earlier frothy.

"Add message | Report | Message poster HotheadPaisan Sun 01-Jul-12 20:10:46
Eclectic, there is no equal measure, mostly the rest of it is mainstream, it's everywhere."

Okay, maybe I should have said represented proportionately.

It's just a few posters going oh oh everyone hates us cos we is radical oh oh victim pore us.

It's bollocks.

No one wants anyone banned. We all want to move on from this. Grudges are not being left, they ate being carried from post to post, year to year. It's broken. I've tried ignoring, appeasing, agreeing, disagreeing. None of it helps. There isn't some big conspiracy but while we refuse to acknowledge what the problem is, we do everyone a disservice

Oh, what... You can dictate to us when to use it, but you drop it as soon as you want to disagree with someone.

And thanks a fucking lot for the "fucking insane" comment. You're showing your true colours now.

Hothead, ignoring and reporting doesn't work.

It's the tone that is set that puts people off.

no need to agree, Hothead, or 'join in', whatever you mean by that.

Everyone has ignored my last post I am attention seeking sulking.

Soz didI, I am getting confused by whom I am allowed to address.

Agree with you dido .

I might switch to lilac and tangerine. I'll ask in S&B

Its not views that people can't ignore...that happens all over mn. It's people's attitudes that get people's backs up. My attitude towards rad fems has been wrong in the past and I've got peoples backs up. I'm trying to make a mends which is what will help I think, if everyone does it to some extent. We are all for women's rights after all.

Didi even

Honestly? If I were Justine, I'd do what any mum does with two toddlers arguing over the same toy: neither of you can have it

Seriously. Shut the section down for a month. Let everyone cool off. Take the time to properly come up with a new solution and then reintroduce it with detailed expectations of how things should be going forward.

I agree with Hully: this is all bollocks

I think after all this, we need a fresh start.