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Deletions - These are ludicrous

1550 replies

Hullygully · 29/05/2012 09:26

Ok, that's enough now MNHQ

Stop it with the mad deleting.

OP posts:
NoOnesGoingToEatYourEyes · 29/05/2012 22:10

I very rarely report anything but I reported someone in the middle of an argument about the armed forces (who under the guidelines linked here was definitely guilty of goading at the very least) for saying that British Armed Forces in Afghanistan were enjoying themselves when they bomb women and children and that they laugh as they do it. I found that offensive given that my husband was out there at the time and it's not like that at all so I reported it.

I was told that that comment was being left to stand and I wish I still had the email that explained to me why, but it was along the lines of MN not being able to delete every comment that someone found personally offensive but not a personal attack as otherwise they would be deleting every comment anyone ever made.

Fair point, I didn't argue it with MNHQ and it was left to stand. That to me now makes no sense at all, it was a shitty thing to say.

Mostly if I have reported anything at all it has been attacks on other people or spam. The one time I genuinely feel I was personally attacked, by a group of people including one who had been previously banned, I didn't report it and I probably should because I ended up losing my temper and making a prat of myself. But I don't report people lightly and it didn't even occur to me to do so at the time.

I do frequent AIBU and I do tent to argue my point. But I have noticed that the robustness of AIBU is creeping out across all the boards and that's not on. It's happened to me, with someone seeming determined to misunderstand and twist everything I said so we could have an AIBU style argument. I agree that that sort of thing needs to stop but I do think that recently the deletions are happening much more frequently and it's going too far.

JustineMumsnet · 29/05/2012 22:11

@Maryz

Justine, I started a thread recently where I asked was there a new definition of troll-hunting on Mumsnet and that people will now be deleted if they:
  1. ask the op to clarify something and use the words "it sounds unlikely that X would have happened

  2. say "I'm reporting this thread"

  3. say "Are you new?"

  4. say "Can you clear up a few things op, for example in post 1 you say you are a 13 year old girl and in post 4 you say you are a 40 year old hairy handed trucker, so I'm a bit confused"

  5. Make a categorical statement such as "the police won't take you to Guantanamo Bay just because you over-filled your wheelie bin".

Because all those things have been deleted recently, and the posters told not to "troll-hunt".

You may not have seen the thread but there were a lot of similar points made on it.

Again depends on the context, OP, etc but IMO 4 and 5 seem OK - so long as they are not asked over and over, but 1-3 could certainly be problematic if you put yourself in position of genuine poster needing support but with unlikely tale to tell don't you think?

ShirleyKnot · 29/05/2012 22:11

Christ knows vicar - it was started to prove that there are many posters who are pissed off and has now turned into one of those nightmare things like on a meet up thread.

Stop posting the list please! For the love of god.

Maryz · 29/05/2012 22:12

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Al0uise · 29/05/2012 22:13

If I can't call you a cunt anymore can I think you're a cunt?

Confused
Petsinmypudenda · 29/05/2012 22:13

Duckist pfft they deseve scorn

Duksare cunts did you know man ducks have corkscrew dicks and are all really rapey so female ducks have vaginas have evolved to be maze like- true

ThatVikRinA22 · 29/05/2012 22:15

well i am very pissed off with the apparently new and weird deletion policy - i started a thread a while back asking if HQ had a newbie.

i dont get it.

id rather be modded out in the open than modded by stealth.

lazymonkeyface · 29/05/2012 22:16

Stupid phone, have now stolen my dh's.

Sorry. I like mumsnet. I like that we are all adults and can be treated as such. That being said, my first post, I think it was in aibu, I was flamed for. About things which I wasn't complaining about. I found that hard going and one poster in particular was fairly nasty. Still, I didn't report because in a big girl. Just to add, even other posters pm'd me asking if I was ok because I was slated that much. I quickly learnt not to post in there unless I blatently wasn't being unreasonable.

I have only reported one post, the poster was saying that people with pnd should get over it. HQ emailed saying that they had received other complaints, but would stay because people were telling her she was a dick, well, maybe not that exactly.

I find it hard to follow threads with massive deletions. All I want is a quick explaination why it was deleted, the comment I mean, and by whom. Or, as a pp has said, something like Amazon do. Its not a difficult thing.

Please can MN just stay the way it is, a safe haven for people who need a bit of adult time, who, for some reason cant get it at home. My dh works 12 hour days, and often its just me and the baby, MN is a lifeline for me when im stressed. I promise I'll be less of a lurker if you put it back the way it was.

I don't know what more I can do, I already bought mumsnet rules for all my pregnant friends!

CoteDAzur · 29/05/2012 22:16

Why on earth would "Are you new?" be "problematic"?

Are you new?
(1) Yes. Or no. What do you care?
(2) Waaaah, MNHQ delete this awful post!

Really. Just saw you don't believe in free speech anymore and be done with it.

PacificDogwood · 29/05/2012 22:18

Misogynist ducks Grin

just for the record, I don't like the heavyhanded deleting. please desist MNHQ

Pan · 29/05/2012 22:22

"Pan fecked it up a bit though Grin"

My touch was firm and assured. Some really old gimmers with fat fingers, poor eyesight, too much gin, and with an inability to not interfere mashed the whole thing up. I think you'll find.Smile

EclecticShock · 29/05/2012 22:24

Would it be possible to email the poster when you delete their post with the contents of their post. It's difficult sometimes to remember what exactly you post might have done to break guidelines when it's deleted late on a fast moving thread.

JustineMumsnet · 29/05/2012 22:24

@ShirleyKnot

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1479159-to-understand-why-newbies-feel-unwelcome-when-theres-a-certain-group-of-people-on-here-that-think-mumsnet-is-all-about-them

This thread is an example. This is attacking a very specific group of posters who are speaking on a specific thread. It is also DESIGNED to cause a bunfight. What purpose is this thread fulfilling? Nothing other than being a bitchfest, inviting other posters to join in and bitch about regulars.

I reported it. It's still there.

I could find plenty of other examples. I don't usually bother reporting such crap to be honest, but in the light if the heavier moderation lately, and the fact that those standing up to the shittier element are the ones getting the big deletion button while the objectionable crap stays, I feel it's GROSSLY unfair.

I agree that it's not an edifying thread but I can see why it was left - it doesn't attack anyone individually - you wouldn't know who she was talking about. It's a thread criticising MN and we usually are a bit reticent about deleting those for fear of looking like we are censoring criticism.
Incidentally I can see that the OP has been banned for other unpleasant stuff so it wasn't a case of nothing being done...

Maryz · 29/05/2012 22:26

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JustineMumsnet · 29/05/2012 22:27

@CoteDAzur

Why on earth would "Are you new?" be "problematic"?

Are you new?
(1) Yes. Or no. What do you care?
(2) Waaaah, MNHQ delete this awful post!

Really. Just saw you don't believe in free speech anymore and be done with it.

I do think are you new - if asked in the spirit of ie you are a troll is really problematic, yes.

Are you new asked in the spirit of hello and welcome, of course is fine. As ever, context matters...

Empusa · 29/05/2012 22:28

"it doesn't attack anyone individually - you wouldn't know who she was talking about"

It mentions Sue by name, and refers to a specific comment by a specific poster. It was pretty easy to see who they meant.

JustineMumsnet · 29/05/2012 22:29

@Maryz

x-posts shirley, I linked the same thread.

Vicar, the list comes from Hully's post "Add your name if you no like the March of the Vanilla Po", i.e you agree that mnhq have got a bit trigger happy.

Pan fecked it up a bit though Grin and it's redundant now really, 'cos we're all on it.

Yeh, including most of MNHQ!

kiwijesta · 29/05/2012 22:30

Wow, after two hours of reading I've finally come to the end (for now obv) of the fred, and it has been interesting to say the least. I'm pleased to see that MNHQ are going to look into things. Maybe (as many others have said) a more detailed explanation of why a post has been deleted would be helpful?
Anyway, night all

ShirleyKnot · 29/05/2012 22:30

So we're back to the individual attack argument then? So if Sue - who WAS named othe OP had responded and said "get bent you vicious little shit" SHE would have been deleted but the OP allowed to remain?

I also beg to differ that it's a criticism of MN - this is a criticism of a certain group of posters who had been posting on a different thread about scones.

And it's this sort of thing that is so frustrating. I know, the poster knows, MNHQ knows, most people reading the posts know exactly who is getting a slating but that's ok because the regulars deserve it.

Whatever.

tethersend · 29/05/2012 22:33

Can we get this thread deleted?

Maryz · 29/05/2012 22:33

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Maryz · 29/05/2012 22:35

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JustineMumsnet · 29/05/2012 22:35

@Empusa

"it doesn't attack anyone individually - you wouldn't know who she was talking about"

It mentions Sue by name, and refers to a specific comment by a specific poster. It was pretty easy to see who they meant.

Yep ok sorry you're right, I missed that - yes I think that probably should go as it's just bitchy - as said OP has been banned so I suspect that duty person did that and got occupied elsewhere. But happy to check.

Pan · 29/05/2012 22:36

Can this thread be moved into Classics?Hmm

Valpollicella · 29/05/2012 22:36

Reporting posts and threads will soon become the way of silencing anyone clever, brave, intelligent enough who dares to oppose a posters ludicrous opinion.

The report button should be used within the context of a thread (Im sure Ive seen above that MNHQ don't always link it to another post iyswim) but will delete if reported enough

Please think again about what this is doing to the site MNHQ.

You are driving away posters who are loyal to the 'brand'

I was there for the aftermath of Mouldies. Heck. I know how the the mouldie shit really got to Justine.

Im not sure why this is being swept away quite so flippantly when so many of the same kind of posters are now being driven away.

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