dear mn hq, please could something be done about the anti sn posts on mn

[2shoes]

as I know you are aware(I have the emails) people from the sn community have left this week, due to the vile things that have been said to the/or about SN.
isn't it time that mn hq took some steps to eradicate this, as you do with trolls? surely disablist/anti sn/ personal attacks should be deleted and something done about the posters.
or do we just keep loosing well informed, SN educated people from mn.
(no I can't link to a thread as there has been too many)

Sorry 4madboys, I'm partly responsible for that.
Going now anyway, so the calm and polite can take over.

That is a very good point, HJ.

Te fact that the poster's child had SN is sometimes relevant, sometimes not relevant but the opinion and experiences of the poster are still valid. And they have as much to offer (and often more) than posters who walk through life blinkered to the difficulties that others face.

no dont leave goblin! anyway i would have 'liked' your comment if i could

and alma i too dont have much experience of sn, but i do have empathy and common sense and a some human compassion, hence why i am getting involved and will continue to do so.

ALSO IF ANYONE SEES ANY MORE THREADS/COMMENTS LIKE WE HAVE BEEN HAVING CAN THEY PLEASE PM ME A LINK, SO THAT IF I AM NOT AROUND OR HAVENT SEENT IT I CANT COME AND GIVE SUPPORT! :) thanks

Hello.

Thanks for all your comments on this thread.

Just to be really clear: we have specifically amended our Talk Guidelines to say that we will remove posts we consider to be disablist - and our position hasn't changed one jot.

We're sorry that we were a bit slow to go through Glitter's thread (that's being done now) and the baby with the elastic band thread (that's been done). We're also glad to see that WidowWadman has apologised for her "unspecialneedsy" comment both here and on the thread where it was originally posted.

And we're very sorry that all this has meant some of you have decided to leave MN/are thinking about leaving MN.

We'd like to underline how much we value all Mumsnetters who post in our Special Needs section and who have contributed so much to making Mumsnet such a valuable source of advice and support for any parent with a child with special needs. The last thing we'd want is for you to think we don't place as much value on your opinions and concerns as on those of other Mumsnetters - that couldn't be further from the truth.

And, obviously, if there are any other threads where you feel there are disablist posts, please do report them to us.

Fanjo: if you still reading, do please mail us (contactus at mumsnet dot com). We'd like to have some more details, please, on the posters who've been following you round the boards - that's really not on.

Will pass that on to Fanjo

@Peachy

Will pass that on to Fanjo

Thank you, Peachy.

Helen, I am still a bit confused as to why noddy's post on glitter's thread calling kidzrfreaky an idiot (and mine and subsequent posts clarifying/quoting it) and the trolling still stands.

I have no wish to silence an opposing POV, but when people come on a thread and make things up to get a rise out of other posters... Why is that not trolling?

why have the posts calling troll on glitters thread been deleted ,when the poster was obviously trolling

but the nasty posts still stand?

wtf?

@tethersend

Helen, I am still a bit confused as to why noddy's post on glitter's thread calling kidzrfreaky an idiot (and mine and subsequent posts clarifying/quoting it) and the trolling still stands.

I have no wish to silence an opposing POV, but when people come on a thread and make things up to get a rise out of other posters... Why is that not trolling?

As I said, we're still going through that thread. Please bear with us.

Blimey why was I deleted?

I called someone a fool, is that offensive considering what they were saying?

I've just seen my post on this thread calling widowwadman on her behaviour to Fanjo has been deleted. What the actual fuck?!

That's made up my mind for me anyway. Im off.

Sorry Helen, but it's ridiculous- either it's self policing or it isn't?

Or does 'self policing' not include calling someone deliberately trying to wind up posters a 'fool'?

I'll be staggered if that's the case.

And anohter one down
Since whenw a fool anti MN? I mean, who turns off Mr T in offence?

It is very odd isn't it.

Self police seems to universally mean call posters on their shiity behaviour yet the 'call them on it' posts are deleted and the goading nasty posts get left.

No, self-policing means that we ask you to report to us any posts that break our guidelines.

It doesn't mean attacking other posters on the thread - however much you think they may deserve it - because that would be breaking our Guidelines, too.

Absolutely.

When people on MN get up my nose I (usually) resist the descent into abuse because it will get me deleted and frankly leave me feeling ashamed. I rely on MN to handle anything that goes too far.

if they will not then why resist? If the only recourse is returning vitriol then we need to know.

Except it sunds like thsoe horrible people who smash up people's faces because of a perceived insult and I not one of them.

I did report, Helen. "self policing" was the response I got to reporting. I didn't break any guidelines; when kidz asked what noddy meant, I said that she called her a fool.

Fair enough

The trouble is that self policing via reporting seems to involve a lot of posts which are upsetting people being left to stand. So self policing as you deem it is leaving people feeling isolated and attacked while trolls and people trying to be vile can continue.

Perhaps there would be slightly less retaliation (for want of a better word) if 'retard' were deleted as swiftly as racist slurs would be.

I am not sure that is the case.

Possibly I am wrong. But lots of people I like seem to feel in a bunker so something is not quite working is it?

@tethersend

I did report, Helen. "self policing" was the response I got to reporting. I didn't break any guidelines; when kidz asked what noddy meant, I said that she called her a fool.

Tethersend, I'm sure the MNHQer who replied to you was talking about "self-policing" the same way I am - ie thanks for reporting this, this is just the sort of self-policing that helps.

But we will go back and have another look at your report, and double-check. It may take us a little while but we will check.

@Pagwatch

Fair enough

The trouble is that self policing via reporting seems to involve a lot of posts which are upsetting people being left to stand. So self policing as you deem it is leaving people feeling isolated and attacked while trolls and people trying to be vile can continue.

Perhaps there would be slightly less retaliation (for want of a better word) if 'retard' were deleted as swiftly as racist slurs would be.

I am not sure that is the case.

Possibly I am wrong. But lots of people I like seem to feel in a bunker so something is not quite working is it?

Completely understand your feelings, Pagwatch - and it sounds like we need to look at our responsiveness to reports, especially ones that are flagged as being disablist, and see if we can improve that - but we do have to apply our Talk Guidelines equally to all.

Even if Poster A is possibly a troll and Poster B is a lovely regular MNer, if B tells A to 'fuck off', B is breaking our Guidelines. Doesn't mean we won't investigate A (if she's reported to us) and take whatever action is needed, though.

Thanks.

To be completely honest I personally prefer comments to stand because I like to know who the arses are. But the number of posters from such a vulnerable community feeling attacked is not reflecting well on this site - and I am bothered by that.