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Original poster

dear mn hq, please could something be done about the anti sn posts on mn

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2shoes · 10/09/2011 23:45

as I know you are aware(I have the emails) people from the sn community have left this week, due to the vile things that have been said to the/or about SN.
isn't it time that mn hq took some steps to eradicate this, as you do with trolls? surely disablist/anti sn/ personal attacks should be deleted and something done about the posters.
or do we just keep loosing well informed, SN educated people from mn.
(no I can't link to a thread as there has been too many)

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 11/09/2011 12:02

Mmelindor, I don't think it was innocent, given the posters lack of explanation their their later stupid post about teens and rubbers on the thread,i think troll.

Now, really am off, must stop reading, thanks for all the support xx

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 11/09/2011 12:02

*then their grrr

edam · 11/09/2011 12:04

Of course, cervix, and I'm flattered that you asked!

I don't have a disabled child. But I am offended by prejudice against people with disabilities and by the hierarchy of prejudice that means most people recognise racism is wrong but tolerate discrimination against people with disabilities. It's wrong, and stupid, and illogical.

4madboys · 11/09/2011 12:04

get that 2shoes, i have said on the thread that posters need to address comments when they see them and that mnhq needs to come up with a policy on dealing with the attitudes and posts towards sn.

Original poster
2shoes · 11/09/2011 12:05

sadly I see that you already have the excusors on there
imo that is the problem, or they are

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stripeybump · 11/09/2011 12:06

I haven't finished reading this thread bit wanted to jump in with a Sad face at this.

Also wanted to say that because SN threads don't show up in Active Convos, many posters (the majority?) don't see them, or therefore engage, or challenge abusive posts. It doesn't mean that the majority of MN posters wouldn't jump down the throats of people posting nasty bullshit.

kerrymumbles · 11/09/2011 12:07

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ProfessionallyOffendedGoblin · 11/09/2011 12:09

Stripey, none of the shit being quoted here is from the sn boards, so it all shows up in 'active convos'

4madboys · 11/09/2011 12:11

i am replying to them best as i can 2shoes, thats all i can do unfortunately and i have to disappear in a minute to put the baby to bed and shower, but i will be back to fight this corner :)

Original poster
2shoes · 11/09/2011 12:23

these are not sn threads, i haven't posted in sn for ages(thanks to the nasty namechanger who hounded me)

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Peachy · 11/09/2011 12:23

stripey the ones that don't show on active concos are usually OK

It's the ones that do

I wonder, did hiding Sn make people think it was OK? That only ones within Sn deserved sensitivity?

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2shoes · 11/09/2011 12:24

I do wonder if perhaps if people actually said
"right that is it I am leaving"
did a mouldies and said thats it
mn hq might actually care a bit more, trouble is we keep staying and putting up with it, so they do nothing

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Original poster
2shoes · 11/09/2011 12:25

Peachy please do remember the sn topic isn't a safe cosy place, unless your face fits that is.

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ConstanceNoring · 11/09/2011 12:28

Spiderpig8's cuntishness isn't reserved exclusively for SN bashing IIRC.

There's a clear difference IMO between using incorrect terminology through ignorance (which I have been guilty of) and being downright insulting, widowwadmans comment was the latter, and her apology was weak. Bunnywunny's 'lolling' about it just utter stupidity perhaps?

I have been 'educated' since being on MN and very gratefully so, it's those who refuse to be enlightened that I can't understand.

Off to do some standing and being counted.

MmeLindor. · 11/09/2011 12:37

Fanjo
On re-reading, I see what you mean.

CardyMow · 11/09/2011 12:38

I am getting fed up to the eye teeth of having to justify myself, and my dc's very existance on here. I have had many people pass judgement on my life and make sustained personal attacks on me. Mostly these go unchallenged and lots of people pile in.

I have been here for years now, I remember moldies etc, under a different name, but tbh, it is getting tiresome.

Being racist on MN? BIG no-no. Being Disablist? Nothing said or done.

I seem to spend half my time on MN trying to educate the disablist twats - which is a fruitless task, but I can't leave the comments unchallenged. It's a good job that I have SN mum rhino-skin, and a lot of it slides off my back, or it would be ME leaving MN.

Fanjo, Glitterknickaz - Don't leave, you will be sorely missed.

Peachy · 11/09/2011 12:39

Possibly 2shoes, I have a feeling I come over all aptronising on there so steer clear

Peachy · 11/09/2011 12:41

LL you in particualr seem to be targetted for some horrible attacks. It's a shame becuase from what I can see you have done nothing but get on with your life in a manner to be proud of.

I think you are one of the names they see and think 'time to get poking!' tbh. I suspect I am too so that's not criticism, just observation.

Empjusa · 11/09/2011 12:43

I wish we could "self police" in a kind of bashing heads together manner. Angry

It drives me crazy.

I've never understood why some cunts idiots, damn I got deleted for that word too people feel the need to slag off people who are already having a shit enough time.

Personally I'd rather spend that time being damn grateful my life isn't that hard.

5inthebed · 11/09/2011 12:45

Bloody hell, I haven't been on MN properly for two days, and all kind of shit happens!

Cannot believe the shit Glitter got, she does not deserve to be treated like that at all, what a bunch of twats!

Nobody deserves to be treated like that.

I used to frequent the SN boards, I got a lot of advise from there. Then the whole media thing happened with Riven anthe boards seemed to eb taken over by trolls, and at one point I was called jealous and uncaring by a troll who claimed to be getting loads of respite and wanted more. That to me was not what the SN boards were about and I have taken a huge step back from there, only posting on threads whose names I recognise. Which is a shame really, as I am not the only one, and people who are just starting out on the Sn road could do with some experienced help. It is sad.

What is even sadder is that MN seem to think that vile comments towards people with SN should stand so that the person can be educated. If someone came on here and said "benefits to be stopped for all those not white" then there woul be absolute uproar and the thread would be deleted in a heartbeat. Why not leave it to stand and let more bigots pour on and give there 2 oence worth? Oh yes, because it is illegal just like disability bashing!

Peachy · 11/09/2011 12:54

Oh goodness 5inthe I recall that thread!

And you're right, it's not what it's about. I get nothing in repsite but I will gladly help anyone else get support and if they manage it frigging fantastic, one less injustice in the world.

The other thing I find ahrd is the automatic equation with Sn / disability and fraud. Fraudsters do not tend to post regularly in the Sn and linked sections of boards like this. Indeed, fraudsters are by definition, NT. Have as many issues with fraud as you can (and rightly so) but don't take that to someone whose history of disability is very clealry laid out for all to see.

hazeyjane · 11/09/2011 12:57

I have received a huge amount of support on the sn board since it became apparent that ds has sn, support that I just haven't been able to find in rl. It has been such a hard year, and without Mumsnet it would have been so much harder. It makes me very sad that people that are providing such support for people like me, who have found themselves in a similar position are feeling hounded out of a community, that should have a place for all of us.

I have noticed more and more that whenever someone brings up the fact that their child has sn, as part of a thread, someone will come along and roll their eyes, and say something along the lines of, 'oh here we go...professionally offended....well of course we didn't mean the special needsy ones etc'. It is as though the feelings and opinions of the parents of children with sn are part of some separate world. Someone referred to a 'non-special-needsy playgroup' on the baby safety thread, and I thought, hang on, surely playgroups are open to all children, whether they have sn or not.

Peachy · 11/09/2011 13:00

Not that it's new Hazy, there was a time when everyone would complete posts with 'not including children with SN' still dismissive but it gets more and more personal now.

4madboys · 11/09/2011 13:03

my thread is as i thought it would beginning to turn into a bunfight :( lets hope despite that it helps a teeny tiny bit and that some posters begin to think and post in support more........

AlmaMartyr · 11/09/2011 13:06

I've seen quite a few threads like this on MN over my time here, and lots more threads where people have posted some really offensive stuff about SN. I've never said anything (although I have occasionally reported) because I'm always too worried about saying the wrong thing and causing more offence. It seems that nothing ever changes though and it's sad to see good posters so upset, and I'd like to add my name to people who would like MNHQ to take a tougher stance.

I have little to no experience of SN and have found my time on MN hugely educational in that regard, but not because of offensive trolling comments but because of the many threads (like this one) where people talk about their experiences. It seems that there are a lot of things that would be deleted if they were about race, but aren't when it refers to SN. I understand that MNHQ want to educate posters about SN but wouldn't it be more educational to have a no-tolerance policy so that people spouting that rubbish saw how it's seen by others? At the moment, it's possible to say some pretty horrible stuff about disability (I was Shock by that recent theme park thread as well) and not get deleted, but someone calling that poster an idiot will get deleted - all that demonstrates is that it's OK to say these things. I always imagine the poster thinking 'ah well, that didn't get deleted so obviously the majority of people actually agree with me!' and carrying right on.

Anyway, I'd definitely like to see MNHQ dealing with it more harshly and will try to say something and/or report in the future rather than just lurking.