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Where did the 'HouseBoy' thread go?

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ifancyashandy · 11/07/2010 21:18

I went away for a while, was reading from page 25 to catch up and clicked on 'next page and pfft...all gone.

What did I miss?

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TheBossofMe · 13/07/2010 12:24

BTW - I have to say, this is one of the most interesting chats I've had on MN for a long time. Makes me feel slightly less like my brain is rotting away....

tethersend · 13/07/2010 12:42

It is interesting, isn't it? I'm so annoyed that the original thread got deleted, as it made a welcome change from the usual MIL/SAHM/WOHM/BF/FF debates.

BTW, am applauding your nanny.

TheBossofMe · 13/07/2010 12:55

tethers - I try and stay away from feeding threads, don't even talk about my MIL, but get sucked into the WOHM/SAHM every time! I really should learn!

DDs nanny is fascinating to talk to - one of the more interesting people I've met here, TBH. She reads so widely - was wide-eyed when my precious book collection turned up from the UK and is always borrowing from "the library", as she's taken to calling it. Books get read, and then discussed, that seems to be how she's largely educated herself before coming here. Again, makes a change from talking about shopping or travel plans with other expats here (although i have no problem talking about both things at times!).

BTW, she made some hilarious comments about MN - can't understand why the opinion of a bunch of women who are half way across the globe and who I've never met, nor are ever likely to meet, is so important to me!

MadwoMen · 13/07/2010 13:10

I agree. It's been the most interesting discussion I've had on mn I think. My beliefs have been challenged.......

noddyholder · 13/07/2010 14:31

Great post buzz.I agree this is a v interesting topic and beats a lot of the usual

ifancyashandy · 13/07/2010 14:54

Just to say that I was on the original post but have been busy in RL so not been able to post on this one but having read through it, seems like the debate is still going strong!

Regardless of points of view, it's bloody wonderful to come on here and read some really thought provoking stuff.

Still think the terminology point is extremely important but confess to having had a few 'hmmm, hadn't thought of that' moments.

But Tethers et al rock !

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abr1de · 13/07/2010 15:36

I must admit that the more I learn about Dubai the more naff and awful I think it is.

desertgirl · 13/07/2010 19:09

SGM, you said > - sorry, it wasn't, it was about KSA. There is probably bonded labour there too though; though it is far, far more an issue with respect to construction workers than domestic staff; and needs to be tackled regionally if not globally, a lot of the inappropriate loans etc start with agents in India or other 'home countries'.

thatbuzzingnoise, you said

HopeForTheBestExpectTheWorst · 13/07/2010 19:13

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desertgirl · 13/07/2010 19:43

that buzzing noise, you said way back

abr1de · 13/07/2010 21:11

desertgirl--I have based what I said about Dubai on the experiences of several groups of friends who have worked there for over a period of 10-15 years in various sectors (defence, IT, construction), rather than anything on the thread in particular. As I do not have friends working in the other places at the moment I do not feel able to pass judgement.

foxytocin · 25/07/2010 06:26

thatbuzzingnoise was my World Cup name. Maybe this topic is dead but I would still like to say and real life got in the way.

desertgirl: the wages set by foreign governments are recommendations and they are not enforceable in the UAE and indeed in any other country. The Filipino government recommends $200US as a minimum for its overseas workers for example. It is trying to prevent the abuses of its citizens.

Expanding the argument into what Indian Expats, Arabs, or Gulf States citizens may pay and do their workers does not benefit anyone's argument. What it highlights is that these governments have laws that are easily and widely abused.

As you say, because these men and women have taken difficult decisions and are making huge personal sacrifices for their families, they deserve the protection of fair employment laws. It should not be down to the whims of an employer on how they are treated.

I am not sure how to interpret your penultimate post because as I said, I don't want this to be about about specific experiences and it skirts a lot of wider issues which would not do them justice to simply skirt. I would like to address your last paragraph briefly however. Yes a lot of companies which are big international names are abusing the rights of workers in these states. This is why these states ought to have laws based on what the ILO recommends, at the very minimum. This is why there ought to be an international and political effort, driven by the voting public, to force these governments to put pressure on gulf states to improve their employment laws. Their situation is somewhat analogous to what happened in South Africa. Companies are amoral entities which only look toward profit and shareloaders' returns. It was not until the public pressured governments and multinationals that multinationals start to threaten the S. African government with pulling out and with threats of being treated as a Pariah state that the RSA gov't began to change peacefully rather than by further blood letting.

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