to be ridiculously excited to have just booked tickets for a swinging club for NYE party?

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First time without kids on NYE in 7 years and excited!!!

I've been to Club Pedestal and damn right I will be going again with my new playmate. Just like any other fetish club, people only do things with other consenting people. Nearly all fetish/swing clubs have policies that lead to much, much less in the way of men harassing women than you get in normal nightclubs. People might ask each other a little more blatantly if they want to engage in some sexual activity, but being direct doesn't mean being rude, and everyone takes a polite refusal politely, and moves on.

That looks amazing ...
Not overly fond of having my feet rubbed but sure I could find something else to while away the time !

Ah this thread is bringing back some fond memories

Cleaty lots of the men are bi too.

Yes, thats been obvious throughout this thread and another one its linked to with a least two of the blokes disguising a hankering for a friend of their youth as a likely candidatate to take part in a MMF - because their partners would be more comfortable with it. It puts a whole new definition on Bromance.

who welcome you with a glass of champagne and a rose when you enter, will get your drinks from the bar, bring round trays of chocs and strawberries, give you a foot massage and any other er, '

Do people still look on that likes of the above as something special? It just seems like such a cliche and so boring. Someone should tell them the good life's moved on to other things?

The club pedestal website says

The role requires showing obedience to any of our female guests, and providing services like

But SGB says

Just like any other fetish club, people only do things with other consenting people.

So are the men allowed to say no?

The website says the men are to service any female patrons.

So if a woman wants something and the man doesn't can she complain? Or does he have to do it?

Of course he doesn't 'have to' do it, but a lot of men genuinely enjoy being told what to do by a woman, even humiliated, it's part of the fetish...

destiny so they aren't there because they respect women are they?

They are there because they get off on it and/or are paid to be there.

They are their for their own gratification, not because they respect women.

It's not redressing the patriarchy.

And why does the website make a point of saying they must service any female patron?

The suggests there isn't a choice, at all.

It sounds like the men are prostitutes. Maybe you are happy to pay someone for sex in a situation when there is no real option to consent, but I wouldn't be. The strawberries and chocolates are there to help disguise what is really happening.

Not all swinger women are bi, there are plenty of straight ones and plenty of bi curious guys.
But out of my swinger friends, the women are bi (well I made friends with them because I am bi, so that would make sense).. It is the desire to gave sex with women which is the reason they swing.
In every couple I know...the drive to swing is coming from the woman, not the man. The women want bi sex, ffm, mmf etc and the women do all the arranging of dates etc. This is quite common.
Likewise with dp and myself, the drive is coming from me. I tried it a few times alone and now he is invited to join when I arrange a date.
As a bi woman my first experience of a ffm 3sum was like all my Christmasses cumming at once .
A very hot guy + a beautiful girl us very appealling to me, as is 2 x very hot guys. All my swing dates are very attractive, fit and educated/have good jobs etc. Very gorgeous people who are not shackled or inhibited by what society tells them they should think about monogamy etc.
When I watch dp enjoying himself I am filled with joy that we can enjoy this together. It has made us even closer and he considers himself a very lucky guy .
Attractive women who indulge are inundated with offers so I am able to cherry pick

But if women want sex with other women, why do they not just do that? Why involve men?

sounds like you frequent the clubs where you have to be an '8' or above to get in the door naughtyjezebel?
I guess the fuglies have to swing at the fugly swingers club

But if women want sex with other women, why do they not just do that? Why involve men

probably because ultimately it's all about wanting to appeal to and be the object of male sexual desire

Yes that is what I suspect Suzanne.

Very gorgeous people who are not shackled or inhibited by what society tells them they should think about monogamy etc

You see, I find that remark quite judgy, as if monogamous people are doing what society tells them because they know no better, bless their little brains. I find it a bit patronising.

If you like to swing, I will not judge you. This thread has been very enlightening and I appreciate those who have shared their interesting experiences. Those who like to swing have in the main argued rationally and persuasively about their choices.

But really, don't make digs at those who don't swing. I'm not monogamous because society tells me to be. I'm monogamous because I prefer that and its my personal choice.

Suzanne I have never been to a club, I just meet couples I have made friends with.
I like the idea of dp watching me and a girl and then joining in heh heh. To be truthful, I think the idea of him getting turned on by it turns me on more than he is actually getting turned on....if that makes sense. But the whole scenario is definitely led by me and the other woman. The men just consider themselves lucky bastards to be invited
I am not into the idea of clubs personally, as I need to know someone before I do sex. Unlike most of my non swinger friends, I cannot do sex with people I have just met that night. Never do 1 night stands etc
When I meet couples, we spend the whole weekend together, the naughty 3sum/4sum is just one element of a weekend with nice people.

NaughtyJezebel it's interesting that your experience is that it is the women who are taking the lead as this is the same for me. I felt very sexually and emotionally frustrated in a monogamous relationship. I started out wanting to have my own separate 1-2-1s but DP suggested we try swinging and I was pleasantly surprised to find I like it. Turns out I don't have to know someone (or in fact their name) to enjoy sex with them. I am probably fairly extreme in that respect though

DP has also had his own adventures too and he now wants to try out his bi side which took me by surprise!

Soconfused I think its pretty amazing to be able to explore our sexuality and realise our most intimate fantasies.If I am honest, I used to think that swingers must be disfunctional in some way. I thought it was weird.
But the people I have met are not remotely weird. They are happiky married, good looking, educated, business owners, teachers, solicitors etc who just want to be able to explore their fantasies.
I decided, during a period when do was working away, that I wanted to explore my bi side as I had been thinking about this for years, wondering if I was bi. Dp agreed he was happy for me to meet with couples who are swingers, as this is the easiest way to meet bi women for nsa sex.
These couples are now great friends and I have now converted do to swinging. We have agreed to only play together though.
I am so glad I did it, as it adds a deliciously naughty dimension to life doesn't it?

Can I ask why you extra-sexual folks insist on using the word "play" when you mean have sex (in all it's varied glory)

it makes it sound a bit infantile

children "play" not grown ups

if you complain about not being taken seriously, stop using verbs like "play"

There is nothing remotely serious about it anyway

OK, fair do's

do you get what I am saying though ?

It's just a word that is commonly used in the scene, people know what it means. Every group creates their own language, don't get too hung up on it!

I like the term 'play'. Just googled it and the definition came back as 'engage in activity for enjoyment and recreation rather than a serious or practical purpose'. Like it even more now!

It also helps distinguish between a meet with swingers in which nothing happens and one where they engage in 'play'.

Nothing infantile about playing, people play golf, tennis, monopoly and the piano. It's a great term IMHO.