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Decision time - state grammar school or quasi-selective independent school

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Quattrocento · 22/01/2009 14:32

We truly don't know what to do about DD's secondary education. She has always been in the independent sector and is in year 6 at her prep school. The independent school into which the prep school feeds is nice enough. But we entered her into the 11+ for a state grammar school, and we learned today that she'd passed the exam with a high enough mark to ensure a place. So we don't really know what to do. DD says she doesn't much mind what she does and wants to abdicate responsibility leave the decision to us.

I've made a list of the pros and cons for moving to the state grammar school

  1. She gets to mix with a very broad range of backgrounds in terms of wealth BUT it's far less ethnically diverse. I like the idea of DD being able to mix across a broad social/racial spectrum.
  2. The state grammar has slightly worse exam results BUT the intake is slightly brighter so the difference might be bigger than it appears.
  3. The state grammar school has nothing much happening in the way of sporting stuff and DD is super-sporty.
  4. The state grammar school doesn't seem to do much in terms of other out-of-school activities
  5. The state grammar school seems to have lower standards of behaviour - lots of children quite badly dressed and swearing etc in a way that made little DD's eyes go round as saucers.
  6. The state grammar school is going to save us around £80k on independent school fees. The fees are not an issue now but they would be if I were made redundant (looks nervously at global economic environment).

What do you think?

OP posts:
bagsforlife · 27/01/2009 14:26

Plenty of posh 'uns at our GS too, some even POSHER than at the local independents

seeker · 27/01/2009 14:29

And Latin at ours. And Commem Service in the Cathedral.

MrsGrahamBell · 27/01/2009 14:45

lol @ everyone trying to out-posh each other!

Squiffy · 27/01/2009 17:39

Quattro. I went to an exceptionally good grammar school and if I lose my job and my DC's are able to transfer there at 11, I will thank my lucky stars for the safety net. However, whilst I can continue to afford private education I would not dream of moving my children to grammar, mostly because of the pastoral care an indie provides, partly because I think private schools generally stretch pupils in the areas in which they are talented in a way that grammars do not (be it sport, drama, academia, music), and partly because I think that smaller indies are able to stamp on cliques and bullying (if the school itself is so inclined to do so) more efficiently than the larger grammars. I emphasise the 'if inclined' bit because I think this really varies widely between schools.

I know many people who run business in my local community or are involved in the community in general, and the one thing they always comment on when discussing schools is how exceptionally happy children are in my DC's school and that was another factor for me. That kind of quality can't be written into an ISC or Ofsted report but it really counts - but it is difficult to get a feel for this I guess.

champagnedahlings - I disagree that bubbles rise to the top. Completely. In another thread a while back there were some stats showing that there were (if I recall) around 40,000 extremely able children in the state sector at age 11 versus 7,000 in private education (as tested using SATS), but that when that particular year was tested for A level results, and specifically for the gold standard of 3 A's, the state schools managed I think around 10,000 top results, and the independants managed 7,400. So bright children on the whole appear to be disadvantaged by the state system and do not reach their potential (if we are to use 3 A's as a measure of potential). If those results were to be further broken down into traditional versus modern subjects, I think the differential would be even greater.

Abby - I have found your posts very interesting and slightly depressing. I think everyone on this thread will agree that - ceteris paribus - a child with 3 A's from a crap comprehensive is going to have a million times more potential than a child with 3 A's from Eton. Even though my DC's would be disadvantaged by positive discrimination, it kind of seems fair to me to see state schools get some sort of preference when they achieve top results?

Judy1234 · 28/01/2009 07:23

They do if it's a sink comprehensive and they stand out from the rest and I am sure they have done for a decade or more and it doesn't really affect good people from private schools so it's fine. The trouble is those who were bright at 11 as you say but never came through because they got disaffected. My sister as a very querky but bright child. He would be lost in the state system. He's 7 and at his independent school there are a good few boys just like him, socially inept (not that all bright children are socially indept of course), he knows the london underground by heart etc etc and the school will stretch him academically in a way my children in their own private schools have never needed to be stretched and most of all he has already found the dare I say it rather weird tending on aspergers little group with whom he can cluster and thrive.

RiaParkinson · 28/01/2009 20:50

'quirky'

RiaParkinson · 28/01/2009 20:52

Xenia

There are plenty of 'aspergers' type children in state schools getting an amazing education

one of our local state primary schools is renowned for being great for a full spectrum of special needs

a significant proportion of children in that school have moved FROM private schools who cannot meet their needs

Quattrocento · 02/03/2009 10:41

Just a brief update and thanks to everyone for contributing to a lively discussion.

We did get offered a place at the state grammar school, following on from what the school told us informally. We decided not to take it up though, based on DD stating a mild preference for continuing at her current school.

OP posts:
senua · 02/03/2009 16:11

Phew, QC, you must be relieved. It is obvious that either school would have been fine - it was just a matter of having to make the decision, which was the tricky part.
You can relax now and DD can look forward to her senior school life.

jujumaman · 02/03/2009 16:19

Sounds like you did absolutely the right thing, wish your dd all the best with her secondary school career. Sure she'll do brilliantly.

bagsforlife · 02/03/2009 19:19

And you are freeing up the grammar school place for someone who actually wants it. You will have made someone on the waiting list very happy.

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