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My child is in constant trouble at school but good at home. What to do.

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Mumsytutu · 08/11/2025 08:39

Hi there.
not sure where to start so here we go.
I have a 13 year old son, who is in constant trouble at school.
His usual issues are low level disruption, chatter (a lot) and the odd general boyish behaviour. Never anything untoward for eg: bullying, spiteful or the usual things you’d hate your teenager to be involved in.
At home, although there is the odd teenage attitude outburst, on the whole he is a joy to be around, well behaved, well mannered etc. He is very funny, personable, considerate and just a decent kid (to us, his friends parents, family etc) no one can ever understand why he’s in so much trouble at school.
We have a great relationship which I’m keen to preserve of course. He confides in me and is he’s very honest (too honest sometimes!!).
He will hold his hands up when he has deserved the sanction point.
He has a great friendship group, decent boys who are likeminded etc.
The school is one of the best in the area. They are strict, which I support. I think.
At first, in year 7, we came down on him like a ton of bricks everytime he received a ‘sanction behaviour point’. Over time this has stopped as he ended up in a right mess and felt he had nowhere to turn (stopped eating, extremely emotional at home, etc etc). After discussing by with the school we felt their punishments (detention etc) should be enough. (Considering there wasn’t ever any extreme behaviour like bullying etc).
fast forward to year 9 and he has all but completely written off school. He hates it and cannot wait to leave. He’s a bright lad so this breaks my heart.
His planned GCSE choices (which he is certain he will fail) all revolve around which teachers he gets on with.
Im bombarded with emails and calls from the school about how talkative he is (and from him in the toilets during the day, phones are banned but he texts and sends voice notes secretly telling me what’s going on, I do warn him if he looses his phone it’s his own fault, but equally I’m pleased he feels he can call mum).
He has been accused of being rude to staff on odd occasions, and when we discussed this at home it was because he was being accused of doing something he didn’t do and was frustrated (I investigated, he was telling the truth on all occasions, I even had to dig out his bank statements to send to the school on one occasion when he was accused of having a fizzy drink. He doesn’t like fizzy drinks for a start!!). We do talk about how to get your point accords respectfully however, no place for rudeness in my mind. He says he was just trying to tell them it wasn’t him etc and they wouldn’t listen.
Additionally, what we are finding is once he receives a sanction point in the week, he will spiral and it just gets worse from there.
Also, this is not in every subject, he can tell us ahead of time which subjects he will receive a sanction in at the start of the day and he is usually right (based on which teachers he has).
Im now at a point where I have told the school to stop contacting me unless he is rude/ bullying or if he is quiet (as that would be concerning!!)
I totally understand how ‘low level disruption’ is not fair on the other children, and we do discuss at home etc but im at a loss of what to do and this is so draining on us as parents, let alone him. He’s now starting to try and get out of school on the ‘bad days’ . He tried to tell me he was ill and I saw straight past him and he was then honest, he’s had enough of the constant sanctions and I can totally understand.
He has a detention every week (detentions are based on how many sanction points a child receives rather a specific events). As the school is 15 miles away, one of us then has to pick him up which is a nightmare (we both work full time).
We have spoken to him about this until we are blue in the face. I’ve told him just to be mute in certain subjects etc to get by.
i should also point out that he gets an incredible amount of positive points for his contributions to lessons and for his confidence etc. it’s not all bad!
i have emailed the school so I’m waiting to hear back but at the moment I’m thinking he would be best for everyone if he didn’t go to school on the ‘bad days’ which is ridiculous!! He’s always had excellent attendance so the fact in even thinking like this is shocking.
does anyone have any advice. I’m exhausted and so is he.
thanks so much.

OP posts:
ProudCat · 15/11/2025 22:36

Secondary teacher here. Sounds as if he's disengaging and needs your reassurance / support ... But that you're not 100% up for this: 'I'm now at a point where I have told the school to stop contacting me unless he is rude/ bullying.'

It's low level disruption. They'll be some teachers who know how to deal with this and build the relationship (hopefully, I'm one of those) and others who just find it frustrating and exhausting. The thing is, when you're taking it to the face 5 hours a day, everyone gets a bit grumpy.

Is there a system of trusted adults at the school? Does your son have a supportive Head of Year? What about his form tutor?

To be fair, it sounds as if you're on the right track and communicating well with your kid but that maybe you both need to find a teacher / member of staff who you (both) feel has their back. It sounds as if they're unsupported and testing boundaries - in other words, not 100% safe.

At the end of the day, your DS is a child and some of his teachers seem to have forgotten the simple fact that they need to meet their needs.

Mumsytutu · 16/11/2025 14:31

Hi All,
once again- thank you so much for all the helpful advice. So very much appreciated.

Just thought I’d send an update as to where we are.

So firstly, for context, I’d sent many emails in the weeks leading up to my original post (months actually, I have tried to deal with this in previous school years etc). My aim was to address the issues and also get him out of the cycle of the detention merry go round (via improvements at school, not ‘get him out’ of detentions!). All emails unanswered, although I mainly sent these to his form tutor. I appriciate they are busy so have tried to be patient. Dispite the fact that they had emailed me and called me many times (which is why I was at my wits end).

The friday before my post. I sent an email to his pastoral lead, unanswered.

I d sent a follow up on Tuesday. No reply.

I tried to call. They said they would call me back. Never did.

We got to Wednesday this week and my son could not eat his breakfast. Felt sick etc. Turns out, his first lesson was French. I said I would take him to school after his French lesson. He looked so relieved and thanked me (no celebration, he was genuinely thankful). I emailed the attendance office email address as per protocol and was honest in the reasons why etc). We went to school, stopped off at the Bakery for some pastries which he ate in the car and I dropped him at school. (I don’t agree with my actions nor condone doing this again, but I needed to do something!)

It certainly made everyone sit up!

I had phone calls from everyone and was thankful for a long conversation with his pastoral lead. They agreed to remove him from French in the short term and allow him some breathing space in other lessons if things are getting hyped. She has identified that she doesn’t think he can deal very well with negativity (I agree) so they are working on how to inject positivity rather than constantly batting him over the head with sanctions that clearly make him spiral throughout the rest of his day. She also noted that over 70% of his sanctions derive from 2 subjects.

He will not be in a French lesson for the next 4 weeks. He will be working independently which he is more than happy about.

I have also spoken to his French teacher who will be having a meeting with my son to try and clear the air. His teacher mentioned he feels there is a group of children in his lesson in-particular that quickly hype each other up. It’s not a good mix overall. All my sons Sanctions involve multiple other children. He is not alone (not that it makes it any better, but I think it’s important to note) Equally, he says my sons seems to take sanctions extremely personally and at times doesn’t not appear to know what he’s done wrong/ realise he’s chatting. We have discussed moving him to another class in the longer term as this teacher is convinced my son just hates French as a subject (that isn’t actually true, he hates his French lessons).

We cannot remove him from Maths for obviously reasons, but I have had communications with his Maths teacher and am awaiting a face to face meeting with him. He has said in the short term he will lay off the sanctions and replace it with short chats with him. He also noted that sanctions do not work for him and break his confidence. He sees him physically give up in lessons. Interesting, he also identifies the group he has is not a good mix of personalities.

I feel this ‘break’ from the cycle has had a huge impact on his attitude towards school dispite the short timeframe. He says he feels like a huge weight has been lifted. The last part of the week was incredible. Zero sanction points and 2 emails from other subjects to say how well he had performed in lessons. (Wow). He even gave a full presentation in Geography to his class.

Re SENCO- This has not yet been discussed in detail as I needed to deal with there here and now first off, however we are looking to have him assessed privately to see if there is more to this. I have a follow up in place with pastoral to discuss this as clearly he needs some support, even if this is purely down to how negativity is having an effect on him- that’s obviously no way to go through life. Pastoral have noted that this might be a good idea. There was mention of his mind running on overtime which is often why he misses instructions or misses that fact he was talking in the first place and then feels so strongly that something was ‘unfair’. To be continued….

In terms of him calling me and texting me, we talked at length as to why. He said he feels I’m the only one who will listen and support him when he feels something was unjust. He also said it helps ‘get it out his head’. I’ve reiterated that he doesn’t need to call and let’s save it for after school especially when he gets in a pickle for calling when he’s supposed to be in lessons. I can’t remove the phone during the day just yet due to bus/ after school activities etc but he has kind of listened (ish!).

He’s has text twice this week. Once to tell me a bird pooped on his head (again!) and once to let me know a friend was upset so he was helping him. I haven’t replied to either message and continue to remind him to tell me after school. That said, I have kept the lines of communication open in the fact that if there is an emergency or if he really really cannot find anyone else to support him, I am absolutly always there. But, if he can wait until after school that is much better. He has called me everyday on the way home. I’m hoping in time, that will be the new normal.

So once again, thank you. I certainly feel a little better this weekend as he’s feeling positive. Time will tell where we end up but I’m thankful the school have listened and he seems to have taken this ‘clear slate’ to move forward positively.

funnily enough, as the school work on an accumulation of sanction points system for detentions, he has another one next week. My cheerleader routine continues until we can break this cycle.

Thanks again x

OP posts:
Monvelo · 17/11/2025 20:58

I've just read pretty much the whole thread and I'm almost tearing up, op I think you're doing an amazing job taking onboard all the advice you had and advocating for your son.

Goldwren1923 · 18/11/2025 16:40

Mumsytutu · 16/11/2025 14:31

Hi All,
once again- thank you so much for all the helpful advice. So very much appreciated.

Just thought I’d send an update as to where we are.

So firstly, for context, I’d sent many emails in the weeks leading up to my original post (months actually, I have tried to deal with this in previous school years etc). My aim was to address the issues and also get him out of the cycle of the detention merry go round (via improvements at school, not ‘get him out’ of detentions!). All emails unanswered, although I mainly sent these to his form tutor. I appriciate they are busy so have tried to be patient. Dispite the fact that they had emailed me and called me many times (which is why I was at my wits end).

The friday before my post. I sent an email to his pastoral lead, unanswered.

I d sent a follow up on Tuesday. No reply.

I tried to call. They said they would call me back. Never did.

We got to Wednesday this week and my son could not eat his breakfast. Felt sick etc. Turns out, his first lesson was French. I said I would take him to school after his French lesson. He looked so relieved and thanked me (no celebration, he was genuinely thankful). I emailed the attendance office email address as per protocol and was honest in the reasons why etc). We went to school, stopped off at the Bakery for some pastries which he ate in the car and I dropped him at school. (I don’t agree with my actions nor condone doing this again, but I needed to do something!)

It certainly made everyone sit up!

I had phone calls from everyone and was thankful for a long conversation with his pastoral lead. They agreed to remove him from French in the short term and allow him some breathing space in other lessons if things are getting hyped. She has identified that she doesn’t think he can deal very well with negativity (I agree) so they are working on how to inject positivity rather than constantly batting him over the head with sanctions that clearly make him spiral throughout the rest of his day. She also noted that over 70% of his sanctions derive from 2 subjects.

He will not be in a French lesson for the next 4 weeks. He will be working independently which he is more than happy about.

I have also spoken to his French teacher who will be having a meeting with my son to try and clear the air. His teacher mentioned he feels there is a group of children in his lesson in-particular that quickly hype each other up. It’s not a good mix overall. All my sons Sanctions involve multiple other children. He is not alone (not that it makes it any better, but I think it’s important to note) Equally, he says my sons seems to take sanctions extremely personally and at times doesn’t not appear to know what he’s done wrong/ realise he’s chatting. We have discussed moving him to another class in the longer term as this teacher is convinced my son just hates French as a subject (that isn’t actually true, he hates his French lessons).

We cannot remove him from Maths for obviously reasons, but I have had communications with his Maths teacher and am awaiting a face to face meeting with him. He has said in the short term he will lay off the sanctions and replace it with short chats with him. He also noted that sanctions do not work for him and break his confidence. He sees him physically give up in lessons. Interesting, he also identifies the group he has is not a good mix of personalities.

I feel this ‘break’ from the cycle has had a huge impact on his attitude towards school dispite the short timeframe. He says he feels like a huge weight has been lifted. The last part of the week was incredible. Zero sanction points and 2 emails from other subjects to say how well he had performed in lessons. (Wow). He even gave a full presentation in Geography to his class.

Re SENCO- This has not yet been discussed in detail as I needed to deal with there here and now first off, however we are looking to have him assessed privately to see if there is more to this. I have a follow up in place with pastoral to discuss this as clearly he needs some support, even if this is purely down to how negativity is having an effect on him- that’s obviously no way to go through life. Pastoral have noted that this might be a good idea. There was mention of his mind running on overtime which is often why he misses instructions or misses that fact he was talking in the first place and then feels so strongly that something was ‘unfair’. To be continued….

In terms of him calling me and texting me, we talked at length as to why. He said he feels I’m the only one who will listen and support him when he feels something was unjust. He also said it helps ‘get it out his head’. I’ve reiterated that he doesn’t need to call and let’s save it for after school especially when he gets in a pickle for calling when he’s supposed to be in lessons. I can’t remove the phone during the day just yet due to bus/ after school activities etc but he has kind of listened (ish!).

He’s has text twice this week. Once to tell me a bird pooped on his head (again!) and once to let me know a friend was upset so he was helping him. I haven’t replied to either message and continue to remind him to tell me after school. That said, I have kept the lines of communication open in the fact that if there is an emergency or if he really really cannot find anyone else to support him, I am absolutly always there. But, if he can wait until after school that is much better. He has called me everyday on the way home. I’m hoping in time, that will be the new normal.

So once again, thank you. I certainly feel a little better this weekend as he’s feeling positive. Time will tell where we end up but I’m thankful the school have listened and he seems to have taken this ‘clear slate’ to move forward positively.

funnily enough, as the school work on an accumulation of sanction points system for detentions, he has another one next week. My cheerleader routine continues until we can break this cycle.

Thanks again x

Well done!!!!
hope it continues and please continue pressing the school to treat this seriously and not to revert to their old ways (the fact they not responded for a while is very bad… don’t be afraid to escalate to the headteacher / even Ofsted to get them moving)

MissJeanBrodiesmother · 18/11/2025 17:54

All you have done is given him a free pass to behave badly. He now knows that his French and Maths teachers won't sanction his poor behaviour and that if he gets in trouble it's because of negativity or not understanding. Your son's chatting and poor behaviour impacts on other people's learning and enjoyment. You are kidding yourself.

Mumsytutu · 18/11/2025 20:25

MissJeanBrodiesmother · 18/11/2025 17:54

All you have done is given him a free pass to behave badly. He now knows that his French and Maths teachers won't sanction his poor behaviour and that if he gets in trouble it's because of negativity or not understanding. Your son's chatting and poor behaviour impacts on other people's learning and enjoyment. You are kidding yourself.

Hi again!

Thanks for your comments. Appreciate you taking the time. Do you have any constructive advice? I’m all ears if so.

just to clarify,
a) I haven’t told him his maths teachers is laying off the sanctions as that would be counter productive. I ultimately need to build him up and give him the opportunity to show himself he can do it. I’m not daft.

b) he obviously knows he’s been removed from French as he isn’t in the lesson. He needs a break somewhere and to feel he has support, he has that here I feel.

Ive made it very clear I can only do so much to help him, he has to take this opportunity also, which is far he seems to be doing. But, I can also show him that I support him 100%. He may well throw this in my face, who knows. But knowing my son and our relationship im certain he respects me enough to work with me here.

Time will certainly tell if I’m kidding myself, but I’m not afraid to try everything possible in the meantime. I won’t just write him off.

likewise, he also deserves to enjoy his education.

thanks x

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 18/11/2025 20:48

MissJeanBrodiesmother · 18/11/2025 17:54

All you have done is given him a free pass to behave badly. He now knows that his French and Maths teachers won't sanction his poor behaviour and that if he gets in trouble it's because of negativity or not understanding. Your son's chatting and poor behaviour impacts on other people's learning and enjoyment. You are kidding yourself.

🙄

CheerfulMuddler · 19/11/2025 09:27

Well done, OP.
It does sound as though moving him into different Maths and French class might be a good solution. It's not clear if the problem is those particular teachers or the group of kids in those classes, but breaking up a disruptive group of kids seems like a good idea regardless!
I'm glad the school are finally listening.

Mischance · 19/11/2025 09:44

Here we have a young person who was fine at primary school and is fine at home, but is not fine at his secondary school and has not been from the start. Let's join the dots here ...... this school is something he cannot cope with.

Lots of children cannot cope with secondary school, which is a social construct rather than a natural milieu for a young person.

You have options:

  • more discussion with the school as to where exactly the problems lie
  • pressing for some action over these problems
  • looking at alternative ways of educating him

He may be one of these people who will fit better into a college setting when the time comes, or gain from an apprenticeship. There is more than one way to receive an education. His current setting is clearly not right for him.

It is of course very irritating for teachers to have a pupil in the class who is disruptive, but once a child is labelled in this way it sets up expectations in the teacher (who is then harder on that pupil than others) and also in the pupil (who feels he has an image to maintain).

It may be he has gone as far as he can in this setting and needs to have other options considered.

But my rule in these situations (when working for CAMHS) was start with the school and not the child. If the child is fine in other settings then look at the setting first.

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