Son has been suspended for being five minutes late in total

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My son 15 has been suspended from school until further notice 2 weeks ago he was 5 minutes late to school as he has to follow a one way system which makes it take longer to get to his particular class so he showed up minutes late and told to get out as soon as he walked through the door he then had to sit in a different room in silence missing the entire lesson just because he was five minutes late one time he was also given a 1:30 minute detention set for the next day he came home fuming about what had happened and refused to do the 1:30 detention as he said was unfair and over the top for one time lateness, as he didn't go to the detention it has been updated so that he has to sit in a room for 6 hours without talking just on a laptop doing work unrelated to his lessons for the day and he suffers with migraines so I think it will be a bad ideo for him to sit at the laptop all day and the fact that he is not allowed to go outside for break and lunch so when the day came last Thursday he refused said that it was still unfair and asked them to remove it and the head of year said "unfortunately that's the rules" he has struggled in the past to be in school and was put on a 8 week course to help him get back into school and for the last 2 weeks he was in everyday so that's why we think they should let him have some lenience around the detention especially as it was the second day of the new one way system and arrive in five minutes rule. As he refused to go and do the all day sanction he was suspended and is still suspended until further notice does anyone know what to do to get it removed or put in a complaint to chance the rules

Exactly this! The more defiant kids are usually the ones who will find themselves much more successful and independent later down the line! Not everyone is a sheep 😅

Or alternatively, they find themselves in jail..

Usually those with troubled childhoods. Not defiant kids with a happy home and parents who can see past the utter bullshit standard educational system!

Rules are a necessary part of our society.

Of course, which schools abuse and take too far.

And whilst these kids are railing against this BS system whilst being excused and praised by their oh so caring parents, other pupils are missing out because the teacher's time is being spent on dealing with this BS.

Not at all. Being defiant doesn’t automatically mean you’re disruptive! In this case the boy thought the punishment was over the top; it is. You’re allowed to question and resist policy!

Also if the system was more progressive you’d get a lot more cooperation organically…. It’s not
designed to do anything other than make you a little minion

It usually does mean you’re disruptive as you’re disrupting the learning of others and
taking teachers away from teaching. I do agree that the education system as a whole is outdated but that change needs to come from the government.

Schools are facing a behaviour crisis and have to try maintain a calm environment, that involves an enforcement of rules. If students don’t want to follow the rules there will be plenty of other schools who are not as strict. I find parents don’t usually want to send their children to those ones though, they want the stricter ones as they get better results. The rules are only too strict when they’re applied to their child.

Any time a pupil is being defiant it takes time away from other pupils..
Normally those that either need help or just want to learn.
By all means teach your child to question and resist policy but teach them to do so at a time when its doesn't disadvantage others.

But I can guarantee that you and your child won't do this because it means them loosing out on their own time.

So lets not pretend that this is some sort of moral crusade to make education better, its about getting your kid out of trouble when they got themselves in to it.

Well good for you. Obviously that worked for you, but unless you’re suggesting everyone is able to teach themselves we’ll still need schools and schools can’t function without rules.
Imagine trying to teach 30 children who drift in whenever they please. It is incredibly disrespectful to arrive late and teenagers should be mature enough to understand that there are consequences if they do.

Also if the system was more progressive you’d get a lot more cooperation organically…. It’s not
designed to do anything other than make you a little minion

So homeschool your kids then!
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I do ☺️

The point here remains - the child believes the punishment was heavy handed, his parent agrees and actually, so do I. He didn’t go to the detention so now he’s been suspended. This isn’t taking away from the other students. I get you shouldn’t be late; but if on occasion you are, and you apologise, there’s no need to behave this way. It doesn’t reflect real life!

I sort of liken it to treating everyone as guilty until proven innocent.

Of course some children need more rigid rules and stricter punishment; but these should be proportionate, and enforced when bad behaviour is repeated.

The zero tolerance blanket stance is over the top.

If there is a behavioural crisis in schools maybe the education deportment should look at why so many kids are coming through the system only to end up at secondary school unable to focus, learn and cooperate.

The answer isn’t to enforce so many rules that many children begin to resent their teachers.

I don’t disagree with you. However, schools are so short staffed and behaviour is so poor that the only thing they have in their power is to try and clamp down on the rules. In a perfect world we would be able to look at what the real issues are and completely overhaul the system. In reality schools don’t have that power. They are still graded, they still have their results published in league tables and their funding depends on how many students they can get through the door. It’s a tired system but I don’t blame the schools themselves.

Real life lateness would mean loss of wages, persistent lateness would mean warnings and eventually loss of your job.
And as I have said before I doubt that the OP's child is coming in to the room quietly and apologising as he is being sent out.

And the point remains that the suspension isn't for being late, its for persistently not attending sanctions for being late.

Was it for being late or for kicking off when asked to leave the classroom?

If you are 5 minutes late on occasion in real life and you apologise, you do not lose wages and get fired. If you are reasonable you offer to make up the time at the end of the day. You don’t need to be micro managed or treated like a pr*ck.

If you work to a time clock and you are 3 minutes late you will lose 15 minutes wages.
This is not on occasion but every time.
If you work to a zero hours contract and are late on occasion you will lose money and not be asked to pick up a shift again because you are unreliable.

If you don't want to be micro managed or treated like a prick, don't act like one.

I agree.
If the one-way system is making kids late then the one-way system needs to be changed.
My DC attends a school that's on a big campus. If lesson A is in room 32 then they just cannot get their stuff packed up, and walk around a one-way system to lesson B in room 95 which is on the other side of the campus. It's not physically possible.

I agree that if persistent lateness is an issue then that needs to be addressed but imposing a 90 minute detention over something like this is ridiculously disciplinarian.

I absolutely guarantee that if my child had been issued with such a detention for a one-off accidental unforseen infringement, there would be no way I would permit them to attend it, and I would have no issue with explaining exactly why not.

If you are persistently late maybe. If it’s on occasion, you apologise and make up the time - it doesn’t make you a prick. However, it does make sense why most defiant kids end up working for themselves and not in these sorts of roles in which you are micromanaged and humiliated like this.

Turning up on time for work is no being micromanaged and if you don't like being told off for being late for work or "humiliated" (FFS) I am sure that you can see away to prevent it from happening,.