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VAT and Bursary impact

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tam255 · 02/08/2024 13:49

For some parents in London on a reasonable income who can’t afford to buy in the catchment of a good/ outstanding school, sending to a private school with partial fee assistance/ bursary is the next best option.

Often these big private schools in London in fact often support the state sector, local schools in their area with use of facilities, pools, drama studios etc and are very generous indeed even with teaching staff, Saturday schools etc supporting local schools. This important fact just seems to be forgotten.

As for the student intake, in fact in London most of the private schools have more diversity than the superselective Grammar schools!! Getting a place into a superselective Grammar school for a child in London requires deep pockets. A bright child who cannot afford all the numerous tutors and mock classes etc has no chance of getting through a superselective grammar school and if you can’t afford to live in the catchment area of a good comprehensive will miss out there too.

The reality is that, if a child on a part bursary is in primary school yes, you could have an option to move to a state school at some point. However if a child on a part bursary say is in private secondary school yr 9 onwards ( where subject choices etc have been made) it’s going to be impossible to just change them to the state sector till sixth form.

Yes, there will always be millionaires and billionaires in the private schools but also a lot of parents who are covered partially with bursary’s. With all the vat added it will impact the bursaries which is sad and more importantly the support the private schools offer to the local state schools around in their catchment.

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Muchtoomuchtodo · 14/09/2024 08:25

rosemary2042 · 13/09/2024 23:42

Where do you live? Mind to share? I would love to send my kids to state schools where there are no Independent ones.

We live in The Vale of Glamorgan, South Wales.

AgathaMystery · 14/09/2024 10:45

Helpmymumplease · 13/09/2024 22:58

@AgathaMystery so the external bursary provider is holding their contribution steady but it won’t cover as high a percentage of fees, right?

what is your school saying about how it can mitigate impacts on those who are less able to pay higher fees?

I don’t want to derail the thread but the school is absolutely firm about no mitigation as the bursary is external. They haven’t been unpleasant about it but they haven’t offered false reassurances or promises.

I suspect we are quite a small group of parents (external bursaries are hard to come by and hard to get - ours was anyway).

It’s just another unthought of consequence of this petty, reductive policy. It’s just one child to everyone who supports VAT but to us it’s our whole world and has impacted every financial decision we have made (and so much sacrifice) since 2015.

again, apols for derail

Xenia · 14/09/2024 10:55

It is one reason those who owned massive country estates used boarding schools really as there would not be a decent local school in some of those gorgeous rural areas so sending the child to board was the compromise I suppose.

I hope Labour rethinks and does not proceed or the litigation succeeds in stopping this in its tracks.

Newskool · 14/09/2024 21:19

There's a consultation period ending tomorrow!
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-on-private-school-fees-removing-the-charitable-rates-relief-for-private-schools
Comments can be sent to the email address at the end of the third document.
The impact on bursaries and SEN was ignored in this policy, and @AgathaMystery your situation seems quite unique, so might be worth flagging.

VAT on Private School Fees & Removing the Charitable Rates Relief for Private Schools

Technical consultation on the VAT and business rates changes affecting private schools.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-on-private-school-fees-removing-the-charitable-rates-relief-for-private-schools

WomensRightsRenegade · 14/09/2024 21:39

Consultation period? Wow. I really thought it was a done deal. Esp with many private schools having announced fee rises from January.

I do wish they would, at the very least, implement the change from September 2025 instead of January. That is a really savage thing to do, mid-year

AgathaMystery · 14/09/2024 23:40

@Newskool thanks I have emailed. I’m not sure I am unique. I cannot be the only parents with a child on a bursary that doesn’t include VAT?

TizerorFizz · 15/09/2024 01:11

@AgathaMystery I think the issue might be that VAT is a consumer tax. You are consuming education. The supplier (the school or charity) isn’t. Therefore I’m not sure they can pay VAT for you but they could increase the bursary to cover the vat but it’s not their tax to pay. It’s a tax a school will now collect. (Or not!!!)

Newskool · 15/09/2024 09:47

@AgathaMystery I meant having an external bursary, so not a cost the school can just absorb.

My SEN DC gets a substantial bursary from the school, who have said nothing concrete about the VAT so far. Leaving would be catastrophic for DC, educationally and emotionally.

PeachSalad · 15/09/2024 22:11

Helpmymumplease · 13/09/2024 23:49

I live in outer London where state sixth forms are uniformly shit hot. Catchments are relatively large and even the super selective grammar lets some comp kids in for a levels.

This year we considered moving to the East Midlands and then the West Midlands where I’d have been confident in finding a good state sixth form.

I do understand it’s not like that everywhere but if you live rurally you get cheaper house prices. Horses for courses.

I personally would never ever pay for private sixth form but I know some people value it and that is fine - you do you!

Where is that?

Helpmymumplease · 16/09/2024 00:01

@PeachSalad where is what?

Outer London is the bit of London that is not inner London.

The West Mids is aorund Birmingham but stretches for miles. The East Mids encompasses parts of Derbyshire, Notts, Derby, etc.

PeachSalad · 16/09/2024 07:11

Helpmymumplease · 16/09/2024 00:01

@PeachSalad where is what?

Outer London is the bit of London that is not inner London.

The West Mids is aorund Birmingham but stretches for miles. The East Mids encompasses parts of Derbyshire, Notts, Derby, etc.

Obviously I am asking if it is South, West, East or North London.

Tiredalwaystired · 18/09/2024 16:51

I’m in North West London and I’d say that’s true round here. So many excellent secondaries and sixth forms.

PeachSalad · 18/09/2024 20:43

Tiredalwaystired · 18/09/2024 16:51

I’m in North West London and I’d say that’s true round here. So many excellent secondaries and sixth forms.

West London, Ealing area has many great school and then South West, Richmond

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