Rules on putting a hand one children, eg putting hand out to stop them expiring doing something

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What are the rules on physically touching students eg a student I'd reaching for something and a hand is put one their arm tk stop them and then snatching things and pulling things from them... Escalating the situation.

Grey area. Wouldn't do it at all.

I mean context matters here.

Yes.. elaborate OP plz

So, your DS / DD was doing something inappropriate with an object towards another pupil in school, a member of staff put their hand on their arm to stop them then took the object off your DS / DD?
Sounds like a reasonable thing to do. As a parent, if you were the adult in that situation what would you have done?

More details .. are you talking about them reaching for a dangerously sharp knife in the playground or an extra portion of butter in the lunch queue

There is likely no official rule as context matters when it comes to things like this. Different situations call for different approaches.

I’m unable to comment until full details are provided

I'm not going into fhe whose and how's.

An older teen with autism reaching for things it's been decided they can't have even though those things calm them down.

Hand going to stop them.
Then reaching for fidget toys and making a noise with those then being told off.
So left with almost nothing to do then reaching for tissue, hand on arm to stop them.
In end escalation so much child is in corner of room hands on them trying to grab a little to get them back into the seat, then taken out.

So do you want your DC to be able to do these things when they want or are you looking for information to complain about the teacher?

The child likes to play solitaire on the computer and it's been witnessed that the child can pay attention and work and infact this helps them to listen and remain calm. It's been decided that this is unacceptable and they can't pay attention.

So child is bored.

No. Are there rules about laying hands on them?

So is it in a plan that they can play computer games in a lesson and not just do class work or has teen just decided this themselves?

I think the issue is with the school saying they aren't allowed to have / do certain things that help calm them - that's what needs to be sorted out first.

If the student is attempting to do something they've been told not to then the teacher is entitled to prevent it. If words are disobeyed what else can they do but physically restrain?

@MyGooseisTotallyLoose i am not sure where you are coming from. Can I just ask now are you posting in good faith to be helpful as in you know of sen and safe guarding rules?

The dc is helped to work and stay sat down and concentrate if they are allowed to play games like solitaire. If they don't they need something else, when that something else is removed the situation escalates.
During that time the dc had a hand on them stopping them reaching for their computer, computer wrestled off them, tap on the arm tp stop making noises with fidget toys etc. Hand on arm tp stop reaching.

At no point was any other child in danger or affected except by the disruption.
Who makes these rules who decided they can't play solitaire.who allows hands on?

@CwmYoy not quite rhe dc needs to do certain things to be able to concentrate.
The child can definitely work and play mindless games.
The teacher doesn't seem to understand autism or how people tick.
The child is being prevented from doing things they need to calm down it seems out of pure ignorance.

Is this in a lesson?

Do you only have your child's account of what happened?

Yes physical contact is generally not allowed, you probably need to ask school exactly what happened as a starter.

Sorry I see you amiss say it was a lesson.

Is the autism diagnosed? Is there a written plan agreed with school?

If the teachers allow one student to play phone/ computer games during class they will have a whole class of annoyed kids at their hands. Is this really the only thing that calms down the sen child? What about a Rubik’s cube or so?

Pupils generally can't play computer games in class unless it has been agreed by the senco/school as a reasonable adjustment for additional needs. A student can't make the decision unilaterally that they can do so.
If such provision isn't part of the pupils learning plan/EHCP then the computer can be removed from them. Ideally this shouldn't involve touching the pupil but it depends on the pupils reaction to the removal.

The child can definitely work and play mindless games

Does this child have an EHCP? Or do they have an IEP type plan showing it’s been agreed that they can play computer games during lessons?

All students have screens up and are more discreet in what they play.
No one would necessarily notice eg student wouldn't be the only one with the screen up.

Fidget toys rubix are noisy.

I'm hoping someone in this area comments eventually and gives me some general clarity.

It's definitely a grey area and best avoided if at all possible in mainstream secondary. In ASN/alternative provision staff should have specific training on physical handling.

Context is important as others have said. The only time in recent years I've done it was when I saw a boy about to throw a test tube of unknown clear liquid over another child. I grabbed his arm to prevent it. Could have been acid due to the practical being done (although afterwards I checked and was water). I did make sure to report this immediately to my line manager and felt reassured that the school had CCTV to back me up if a parent had complained. They didn't.

@spanieleyes thank you.

What else might be put in place to keep child sat down and calm.

Is there a formal plan in place that allows him to play games in class?