Rules on putting a hand one children, eg putting hand out to stop them expiring doing something

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What are the rules on physically touching students eg a student I'd reaching for something and a hand is put one their arm tk stop them and then snatching things and pulling things from them... Escalating the situation.

Sciences definitely no danger to others.
Child just getting more and more more restless as each diversion was removed until they are out of their seat etc

In your situation, clearly a parent trying to get information to take to the school as a complaint, I suggest you put your concerns in writing to the headteacher. I can see both sides of this as a teacher trying to keep 30 kids in line, and parent of an SEN child who sometimes needs accommodations.

I'm hoping someone in this area comments eventually and gives me some general clarity.

Are you going to give any clarity about the child’s SEN arrangements? Is using the computer for games on his EHCP or learning plan?

I think hands on him is not allowed in this context.

But if there is no diagnosis, and/or a plan hasn’t been agreed around computer (mis)use or noisy fidget toys then he will be disciplined one way or another.

So you need to get a plan in place asap if you don’t want this to be a continuing problem.

Also I don’t think pulling the computer away from him is the same as hands on him.

Tug of war over computer and repeated hands on during the day.

No there aren't.
Common sense and keeping ALL the students safe is the rule.

The problem with plans are I'm not confident anyone understands the autism and treat student like any other.
No imagination or thinking outside the box to help.

I think the OP’s refusal to answer this question says enough …

@K1nga23 yes.
It says I want to to remain vague.
Are you posting oh good faith in the spirit of the this site to be helpful?

Agree with above.
Is there a TA/121 in place?
Because it sounds like the work in the class would be disrupted otherwise.
If there isn't one, then that's what needs to be fought for.

@ThreeLeggedKitten@ThreeLeggedKitten@TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon definitely no safety issues

Fidget toys can help regulate. You will struggle to keep some autistic children to sit. My grandson is autistic.
Its probably understanding autism badly in this case. If its a danger to others and child oc there had to be intervention, but if not, then it seems the child with autism is seen as a nuisance? It happens.
It escalates , stays escalated because the situation is handled poorly.
If the DC is having meltdown there should be plans in place if that happens, chill out zone etc.

Definitely seen as a nuisance. All been offered is fidget toys but they are too loud and then removed

If the student is in the classroom WITH the others, then rightly or wrongly, there is an expectation that the lesson and learning objectives will go ahead for the majority.
If the student we are talking about has time outs/periods when he can use his diversions during the lesson written into his personal plan, then that's absolutely fine UNTIL him doing those things causes disruption to the others.

Is there a learning plan in place? Senco?

Then there needs to be a meeting between parents, senco, teachers etc to talk about triggers for DC and how to de escalate..learning plan .. where DC can have time to self soothe and chill out etc. We had to do this at DGS school

We wouldn't allow this playing games in class in my school. It's a standard comp - lots of SEND with support plans in place but this would be perceived as unfair by other students.

Blu-tac for fidgeting?

Is he in mainstream or special school? There should be a support plan which supports EHCP delivery. Support plan should include strategies/objects which he can use if necessary and this should be adhered to by all staff. There will be issues if all teachers are doing different things and there is no consistency because of communication issues.

Secondly I would consider standing in the way of something or gently guiding with arm perfectly acceptable in some but not all situations. Anything else (restraint techniques) would need specialist training which go hand in hand with deescalation methods and documentation

In your situation the teacher may have been better to verbally direct, then deal with refusal to follow instructions post lesson, getting advice through senco if unsure.

in your shoes I’d ask for a meeting to gain the teachers and senco viewpoint and to plan together how best to resolve rather then escalate situations if similar challenges appear again. If this is a main stream school the teachers will have minimal training on autism and maybe unfamiliar with strategies. It might be useful for the senco to email all his teachers to support consistency in terms of strategies. Strategies could include games and fidget toys.

It's that simple that being able to do stuff like that helps.
Other dc do it but they can be more discreet.

Maybe main stream just isn't the place.

I am, but I am not sure if you are. You’d get much more helpful responses if you clarified the questions posters are asking to give you the best advice. Instead you refuse to answer and put down responses because they aren’t what you want to hear.

Fidget toys are not working

The issue of touching is complex. Getting into a tug of war is poor but if the child isn't being touched there's no real issue legally etc. child's hand/arm being moved - not really ok. A gentle reminding tap on shoulder - probably ok but needs to be taken in the context of the child's needs and reactions.

Mainstream can be the place. It needs addressing. Some children with autism can do well in mainstream if they are given the right situation to thrive.

You can't have kids playing computer games when they're supposed to be learning in school. You need to get a silent fidget toy, you can get them, my daughter has them. Your son is not learning while he's playing solitaire, he's just playing solitaire. Don't complain when people are just trying to get your kid to learn