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the Bernera cafe/dog/legal aid saga - wtf?

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AuntieBiotics · 27/08/2026 20:44

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced71ny99y5o

American woman living in Bernera is suing the local community run cafe because it would not admit her "emotional support" dog. She is being supported by the Ethnic Minorities Law Centre because Americans are ethnic minorities, and is being funded by Legal Aid. She wants £10k, which would shut them down.

I mean. What the actual fuck. Move to a tiny island with 250 people on it, claim you're being ostracised and harrassed and try to solve that by suing a charity? That'll sort it. And LEGAL FUCKING AID???

Claire Kellerman pictured with her mum actress Sally Kellerman in 1997. Claire has long, fair hair and wears a dark top and neck scarf. Sally has shoulder-length blonde hair and wears a black top, several gold necklaces and a red blazer. Both smile for...

Daughter of US actress sues Western Isles charity cafe over dog ban

Claire Kellerman, daughter of Sally Kellerman of M*A*S*H fame, has brought a case against a cafe in Great Bernera in the Outer Hebrides.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced71ny99y5o

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diddl · 28/08/2026 16:14

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WearyAuldWumman · 28/08/2026 16:15

HJBeans · 28/08/2026 12:54

Could you say where exactly you looked this up? This is misinformation from all I can see. What’s the point of it?

I think that the person in the dog saga is possibly being confused with someone else.

There was someone of that surname in a Wikipedia article yesterday, but it seems to be gone.

Blueandwhitestripey · 28/08/2026 16:16

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 28/08/2026 16:06

They're not going to discuss the particular circumstances and characteristics of a client over the phone with some random caller. Have a word with yourself.

Nah- you can have a word with yourself! What do you think it’s some cloak and dagger organisation like the masons and we are not allowed to ask questions? It’s perfectly fine to question something that doesn’t sit right. If someone saw a women’s legal centre was repping a man, I’m sure many MN would be questioning them!

So, anyway I decided to call just now since I’m travelling next week . The person was very helpful and I’ve to call back next week when I’m back to speak to another person.

And btw I used to volunteer them for when I was younger!

I explained why I was calling and referenced the case to put my question into context. The person I was speaking to was not aware of this particular case but googled it while I was on the phone and gave me a time to call back to talk to someone else next week.

My question was simply are they they now representing white Americans and if so on what basis?

When I worked for them they would not, but it’s possible their criteria has changed , if so - fine but their name should also change. It’s misleading to call it the “EMLC” if they are.

WearyAuldWumman · 28/08/2026 16:17

Jane379 · 28/08/2026 13:25

Where is the proof they are trans? They are clearly awful but I can see no source for this. I don't like claiming a woman is trans just because of looks : what is the source?

The person in the Wikipedia article I saw yesterday was trans but German, not American.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 28/08/2026 16:18

Blueandwhitestripey · 28/08/2026 16:16

Nah- you can have a word with yourself! What do you think it’s some cloak and dagger organisation like the masons and we are not allowed to ask questions? It’s perfectly fine to question something that doesn’t sit right. If someone saw a women’s legal centre was repping a man, I’m sure many MN would be questioning them!

So, anyway I decided to call just now since I’m travelling next week . The person was very helpful and I’ve to call back next week when I’m back to speak to another person.

And btw I used to volunteer them for when I was younger!

I explained why I was calling and referenced the case to put my question into context. The person I was speaking to was not aware of this particular case but googled it while I was on the phone and gave me a time to call back to talk to someone else next week.

My question was simply are they they now representing white Americans and if so on what basis?

When I worked for them they would not, but it’s possible their criteria has changed , if so - fine but their name should also change. It’s misleading to call it the “EMLC” if they are.

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Yes, I'm sure they'll just ignore confidentiality and trifling matters like GDPR because you volunteered for them ages ago, let alone the fact this has absolutely nothing to do with you and is simply none of your business. 🙄

Blueandwhitestripey · 28/08/2026 16:20

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 28/08/2026 16:18

Yes, I'm sure they'll just ignore confidentiality and trifling matters like GDPR because you volunteered for them ages ago, let alone the fact this has absolutely nothing to do with you and is simply none of your business. 🙄

Nonsense. It’s not about GDPR. Did you actually read the question what I asked?? They can discuss with me if they represent white Americans which is what I asked! I just referenced the case so they can be aware of the context and why I’m asking it.

It is a charity that receives grants including from taxpayers money, it bloody well is my business to ask!

If a “women’s charity” started funding a high profile case for a man would you be so quick to tell someone they shouldn’t be questioning it.

ExplodingSmittens · 28/08/2026 16:20

I’ve made a small donation and added Gift Aid. I hope their Cheese and Wine evening goes well tonight.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 28/08/2026 16:24

Blueandwhitestripey · 28/08/2026 16:20

Nonsense. It’s not about GDPR. Did you actually read the question what I asked?? They can discuss with me if they represent white Americans which is what I asked! I just referenced the case so they can be aware of the context and why I’m asking it.

It is a charity that receives grants including from taxpayers money, it bloody well is my business to ask!

If a “women’s charity” started funding a high profile case for a man would you be so quick to tell someone they shouldn’t be questioning it.

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The question "what you asked" pertains to the characteristics of a specific individual, which they are not going to disclose to you or any other random who calls enquiring about it, hence why you are wasting your time and why they'll be perfectly justified in blanking you.

Keep havering nonsense on here though, it's amusing 😂

ChippySeagulls · 28/08/2026 16:25

Viviennemary · 28/08/2026 14:36

At leat Donald Trump with all his faults would have told her where to go if she tried this nonsense in the USA.

Given his mum was from Lewis he might well wade into this at some point (and better still send a donation to the cafe).

Blueandwhitestripey · 28/08/2026 16:25

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 28/08/2026 16:24

The question "what you asked" pertains to the characteristics of a specific individual, which they are not going to disclose to you or any other random who calls enquiring about it, hence why you are wasting your time and why they'll be perfectly justified in blanking you.

Keep havering nonsense on here though, it's amusing 😂

It’s laughable that you think you can tell me what I can and can’t ask.

Even when I do call back if they choose not to engage that’s on them, but I will most certainly be asking this charity what exactly they stand for and if contrary to what their name suggest they represent non-ethnic minorities.

So yeah carry on too. We can both be amused then!
😂😂

QueenCamillaMW · 28/08/2026 16:29

I just fell down an internet hole looking at the community centre website and reading the bulletins.

I want to go! I want to use the gym, go bowling, go to the cafe (on a Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday lunchtime) and a pop in to the all sorts club.

Also, there's a cheese and wine evening later and live acoustic music twice a month. It sounds like such a great community with everyone (most people) working together.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 28/08/2026 16:29

Blueandwhitestripey · 28/08/2026 16:25

It’s laughable that you think you can tell me what I can and can’t ask.

Even when I do call back if they choose not to engage that’s on them, but I will most certainly be asking this charity what exactly they stand for and if contrary to what their name suggest they represent non-ethnic minorities.

So yeah carry on too. We can both be amused then!
😂😂

Do you always struggle this badly with comprehension?

You are free to ask whatever you like, I have not suggested otherwise. My point is that you'll get absolutely nowhere via a telephone call because no organisation, third sector or otherwise, is going to discuss the characteristics of a client over the phone with a random caller.

And FWIW, this is not a "womens charity" and there is nothing of any substance whatsoever which suggests this individual is trans, not that this is of any relevance whatsoever in the first place.

You're making a fool of yourself and you really ought to stop digging.

QueenCamillaMW · 28/08/2026 16:30

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 28/08/2026 16:24

The question "what you asked" pertains to the characteristics of a specific individual, which they are not going to disclose to you or any other random who calls enquiring about it, hence why you are wasting your time and why they'll be perfectly justified in blanking you.

Keep havering nonsense on here though, it's amusing 😂

No it doesn't.

The question asked is whether Americans count as an ethnic minority in Scotland.

No individual needs to be mentioned.

QueenCamillaMW · 28/08/2026 16:31

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 28/08/2026 16:29

Do you always struggle this badly with comprehension?

You are free to ask whatever you like, I have not suggested otherwise. My point is that you'll get absolutely nowhere via a telephone call because no organisation, third sector or otherwise, is going to discuss the characteristics of a client over the phone with a random caller.

And FWIW, this is not a "womens charity" and there is nothing of any substance whatsoever which suggests this individual is trans, not that this is of any relevance whatsoever in the first place.

You're making a fool of yourself and you really ought to stop digging.

Actually I think it's you with the poor reading comprehension and cognitive skills.

You are making a fool of yourself.

Blueandwhitestripey · 28/08/2026 16:32

QueenCamillaMW · 28/08/2026 16:30

No it doesn't.

The question asked is whether Americans count as an ethnic minority in Scotland.

No individual needs to be mentioned.

Exactly!!

.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 28/08/2026 16:33

QueenCamillaMW · 28/08/2026 16:30

No it doesn't.

The question asked is whether Americans count as an ethnic minority in Scotland.

No individual needs to be mentioned.

Still wholly immaterial.

Nobody on here knows on which basis the EMLC have picked this case up, so asking that specific question is not going to resolve anything pertaining to this specific case or the individual involved.

Not that the EMLC is under any obligation to entertain questions from random callers to begin with.

Blueandwhitestripey · 28/08/2026 16:36

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 28/08/2026 16:29

Do you always struggle this badly with comprehension?

You are free to ask whatever you like, I have not suggested otherwise. My point is that you'll get absolutely nowhere via a telephone call because no organisation, third sector or otherwise, is going to discuss the characteristics of a client over the phone with a random caller.

And FWIW, this is not a "womens charity" and there is nothing of any substance whatsoever which suggests this individual is trans, not that this is of any relevance whatsoever in the first place.

You're making a fool of yourself and you really ought to stop digging.

No you’re the one who lacks comprehension! Firstly they won’t “blank me”, because they’ve already given me a partial answer.
The person wants me to check something with someone who isn’t in, and knows more hence I’ve to call back - so yeah you’re an already wrong.

The fact you think someone can’t ask a specific question about who they represent to a partly government funded charity is bizarre.

And the example about a women’s charity was just that - an example! 😂I am not even talking about the trans issue. 🤦🏽‍♀️

Now listen carefully this time - IF this was a women’s charity set up to represent or help women and IF it was in the news they are representing a man, would you tell a woman they have no right to ask said women’s charity if they now represent men too? Use your brain!

QueenCamillaMW · 28/08/2026 16:37

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 28/08/2026 16:33

Still wholly immaterial.

Nobody on here knows on which basis the EMLC have picked this case up, so asking that specific question is not going to resolve anything pertaining to this specific case or the individual involved.

Not that the EMLC is under any obligation to entertain questions from random callers to begin with.

Why do you care so much?

You are coming across as 1. wrong and 2. a bit unhinged.

Are you a friend of the woman in the case?

Blueandwhitestripey · 28/08/2026 16:40

QueenCamillaMW · 28/08/2026 16:31

Actually I think it's you with the poor reading comprehension and cognitive skills.

You are making a fool of yourself.

You are making a fool of yourself.

They really are, glad it’s not just me 😂 it’s made me chuckle but probably best not to engage too much. They don’t seem okay.

ANYHOO! I will report back if I find out anything additional next week when I call back. They did tell me something but it’s not confirmed yet.

Kate011 · 28/08/2026 16:44

Americans are so annoying

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 28/08/2026 16:46

Blueandwhitestripey · 28/08/2026 16:40

You are making a fool of yourself.

They really are, glad it’s not just me 😂 it’s made me chuckle but probably best not to engage too much. They don’t seem okay.

ANYHOO! I will report back if I find out anything additional next week when I call back. They did tell me something but it’s not confirmed yet.

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Yes, this totally, definitely happened 😂

EarthSight · 28/08/2026 16:46

SqueakyDinosaur · 28/08/2026 14:45

Spaniel by any chance...?

I could imagine a Spaniel actually 😄But yes, it works both ways doesn't it.

MrsCarson · 28/08/2026 16:47

AuntieBiotics · 27/08/2026 21:11

And if anyone wants to read the National article and what she has to say for herself, it's here: https://archive.is/DNabx

My god the woman is delusional.
She describes herself as a beautiful stranger. 🤔 Absolute privileged nut case more like. Don't shops have the right to refuse service to anyone they want.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 28/08/2026 16:48

QueenCamillaMW · 28/08/2026 16:37

Why do you care so much?

You are coming across as 1. wrong and 2. a bit unhinged.

Are you a friend of the woman in the case?

No, simply someone who works with a Third Sector organisation and therefore knows why they won't entertain this sort of enquiry via phone call, and why this poster is, frankly, full of shit.

ChippySeagulls · 28/08/2026 16:50

QueenCamillaMW · 28/08/2026 16:29

I just fell down an internet hole looking at the community centre website and reading the bulletins.

I want to go! I want to use the gym, go bowling, go to the cafe (on a Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday lunchtime) and a pop in to the all sorts club.

Also, there's a cheese and wine evening later and live acoustic music twice a month. It sounds like such a great community with everyone (most people) working together.

Go!!

We had a great visit earlier this year (a longer stay than planned actually, thanks to CalMac...) and the Outer Hebrides are hauntingly beautiful and every local person we met warm and welcoming.

Life is hard for these islanders and they don't deserve this trouble maker.

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