Anyone But England

[TobyEsterhase]

My social media is jam packed with Scots declaring their support for DR Congo/Mexico/Norway/ whoever England are playing next.

I find this obsession with our neighbours weird and cringeworthy.

Do you think Canadians make such an issue of supporting Anyone But USA or the Dutch supporting Anyone But Germany ?

Doubly ironic when players like Scott McTominay and Che Adams are about as Scottish as Morris Dancing.

The vast majority of Scots, in fact, I've never seen a Scot who thinks otherwise, feels, in no way, entitled to have the support of England fans, for their Scotland team.

I mean, I'm not saying no such person exists, but they're rare.

The common thought in Scotland is "it's our team, why should people in other countries support us?"

The feeling that people in other UK countries should support their team, is very much an England fan take.

In fact, some people in England know this and make fun with it, and say things like "I know they hate it when we say we do, so I support the Scotland team, just to piss them off."

But there are unionists in Scotland who cheer against the Scotland team, and would even vote for us to lose our devolution, so I wouldn't put it past them. But fortunately, they're very much in the minority.

@Inverness1900 and there we have it, couldn’t not bring politics into sport could you? @

A prime example of the parochial, tribal, simple mindedness that sadly exists.

I’ve never in my life met a Scottish unionist who cheers against Scotland. This just sounds like a fantasy in your head.

Since when is that a definition of nationality?

We are not ruled by the English

Reaching a bit. We fought shoulder to shoulder with the English, we are intertwined with their history both modern, old and ancient.

Also the Battle of Largs was against Norway.

Please do tell us. The official version is 2/3 verses and always has been. None of those verses contain the lines I think you are obliquely referring to.

Copied from google:

Official Version: The standard version of the anthem officially used today only contains the first (and occasionally fifth) verses. Neither makes any mention of Scotland.
The Jacobite Verse: The infamous stanza was written to praise Field Marshal George Wade, who was dispatched by the British Crown to quell the 1745 rebellion led by Bonnie Prince Charlie.
Current Status: This anti-Scottish verse is essentially an urban legend. It fell out of common use over a century ago and is not sung at any state or public occasions.

Have you heard the lyrics to Flower of Scotland?

You are embarrassing yourself now. O

Well who cares. The verse might have been sanitised/ censored but the sentiment remains. On both sides.

A YouGov poll found that 32% of Scots wanted England to "do badly" in World Cup (only 5% of English felt this way about Scotland).

I would suspect that this cohort has a strong correlation to the 30% of Scots who, in a 2021 poll for These Islands, agreed with the statement "The figures used to calculate Scotland's deficit are made up by Westminster to hide Scotland's true wealth".

There is a certain type of person who defines their Scottish identify in terms of opposition to England and thus they are permanently on alert for an English commentator mentioning 1966 or calling Andy Murray British.

it hadn’t been sanitised. It’s a rogue verse that was written by a random during a particular time in British history. It’s never been official. It’s just been dropped as irrelevant.

The sentiment doesn’t remain on our side. Only the Scots are still banging on about history that happened many centuries ago and applying It to football. Genuinely, nobody cares in England. We just roll our eyes at your anti English fervour at every football tournament.

Mine? I'm from Ukraine, mate 😂

Edited: but also British as been here 30 years. Plus have English child.

Always ABE 🇦🇷🇦🇷

Not sure how I was supposed to know that since you were speaking for the Scottish nation mate. 🙄

Always England
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They definitely exist. But believe what you want. There are Scottish unionists who won't even accept the fact that Scotland's a country, and don't think we should have devolution. They're rare even among unionists, but they definitely exist.

Yes we are. Almost 90% of lawmakers in the UK are English. 8% Scottish, the rest welsh and N.I. They also almost always decide who wins elections, unless the result is razer thin, which rarely happens. They're also the ones denying Scotland the right to hold a referendum, post Brexit, after they took us out against two-thirds of the Scottish electorate's wishes. The Scottish government and the majority of its parliament, are all for a fresh referendum. The only opposition with the strength to deny it, is in Westminster.

For most of our history we were fighting against them. And I'm not saying I want to fight them now. I just want independence. I don't want our country controlled by the electorate in another. Something almost 200 other countries take for granted. And we all know England would never tolerate the position we're in. The voted us out of the EU for far less.

You permanently embarrass yourself. Obsessed with who we Scots support, as in your original message.

"no one cares in England."

If only. We don't stop hearing the whining about who Scots do and don't support. Do you do this for the French or the Polish? Most of them don't support England either. Or do you just expect Scots to support you because you don't respect our status as a country? I can't see why else England fans are so bothered by who Scots support or cheer against. And also, no other country in the world, including Wales and Ireland, ask us if we support them, and get upset if we don't. Hence hardly anyone's ABW or ABI.

I don’t think Scotland should have devolution mainly cause the country is going to shite while the most prominent legislation passed in the last parliament was about banning greyhound racing and doubling up the law about stealing dogs. Does ANYONE think Holyrood is a success? Anyone think it’s improving the lives of Scottish people?

Agree - Holyrood is a waste of money, full of absolute incompetents who would struggle to earn half their wages in the real world.

An absolute binfire. Scotland is in a sorry sorry state - it’s gone downhill rapidly since devolution. A huge waste of money.

English people don't care if you support them. There's no demand that you support them apart from in your mind. The whole reason you're supporting those opposition teams is because you're obsessed with England. It's embarrassing. You're falsely portraying it as England caring about what Scotland does, when what you're doing is hating on England. And then your only comeback is to complain when some of them notice? And I say some as the average English fan in a tournament is just focused on their own team. Maybe we should change our mindset and put our energy into how to improve our own national team. There are plenty poorer smaller nations who do better than us.

At least we made it to the semi finals.

You lot couldn’t even get out of the groups