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Shall we have a Scotsnet general election thread?

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JennyLake · 22/05/2024 19:34

This WILL be interesting. Even if it doesn’t rid us of the SNP from Holyrood, it will provide a good barometer of public opinion on the recent exploits of the SNP.

Farewell Blackman and Black!

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Banshee9 · 23/05/2024 18:45

Jeezitneverends · 23/05/2024 17:58

Meanwhile…so what does Matheson have on them?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c999r0r0g72o

I am absolutely livid about this. They reject the Standards Committee recommendation? So what's the point of them? It would appear there are absolutely zero checks and balances in place.

Genuinely raging! Angry

User2460177 · 23/05/2024 18:50

Escapetothesun · 23/05/2024 17:20

There's been a huge decrease in child poverty in Scotland whereas the opposite is true in England.

I really hope The Tories lose.Can Starmer come in and cancel the contracts Rishi have his father in law?

There has been no reduction in child poverty in Scotland. That’s according to the Scottish government own figures.

Escapetothesun · 23/05/2024 18:50

I am a teacher and for me the biggest issue is the lack of exclusions for violent pupils. I'm not sure if those high in the government understand what's going on but something needs to change.

Also , I've just been told the deportations to Rawanda have been paused until after the GE? Another huge reason why the Tories must be removed. I work with fantastic young people who have been through huge trauma and then been re traumatised by the UK government over this.

Needthesunshine · 23/05/2024 18:55

The SNP are having a nightmare of a day. Mathieson, Murrell and investigations continuing into the finances fiasco. Oh and they’re skint so crowdfunding for the election campaign 😀.
In the last GE there was less than 400 votes between SNP, Conservatives and Labour in that order in my constituency. I’ve got no allegiance to any party so will vote for whoever is likely to defeat the SNP.

nofaithinanyofthem · 23/05/2024 19:27

I wish I felt my vote would count but living in an SNP stronghold it probably won't.
Not sure what effect boundary changes will have, but I fear more of the same in my area.

ChanWork · 23/05/2024 19:32

nofaithinanyofthem · 23/05/2024 19:27

I wish I felt my vote would count but living in an SNP stronghold it probably won't.
Not sure what effect boundary changes will have, but I fear more of the same in my area.

Don't be so sure.
Latest YouGov poll shows labour have a 10 point lead in Scotland

Motheranddaughter · 23/05/2024 19:52

Swinney’s position on MM is totally indefensible
My main political concern is to stay part of the UK and my vote will go wherever is the best place to achieve that aim

apples24 · 23/05/2024 20:06

ChanWork · 23/05/2024 18:25

Agree @yellowridinghood
It's a well recognised fact that the best PERMANENT way out of poverty is a good education, leading to quality jobs paying a decent wage.
A tenner a week or whatever is a sticking plaster. Far better to invest in children's futures by doing something about education in Scotland now

Agree. The extra tenners and baby boxes are nice and I'm sure help a bit but they do nothing to address root cause. They ultimately just increase size of the state and contribute towards people counting on handouts.

Raising standards of education and housing are needed. And really fundamentally, to achieve that, growth in the economy is required (which is totally stagnating UK-wide).

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 23/05/2024 20:09

DownWithThisKindOfThing · 23/05/2024 16:36

Happened before, WM don’t give a shite.

I dont know how anyone can look at the SNP and think oh yes that’s the party for me. Must be “independence at all costs” types.

This election has come at a bad time for them and I couldn’t be happier.

This "can only be the FREEEDUMM!!! Indi at all costs lot" thing amuses me.

If your yardstick is performance, then tell me why anyone would vote Labour given their even poorer performance in Wales, and the Tories' shambolic running of the UK speaks for itself, so surely the only people voting Tory or Labour must be "union at all costs" types.

Or is it actually just that this is a banal trope endlessly parroted by those who lack the wit to come up with anything more cogent by themselves.

FreesiaPansy · 23/05/2024 20:15

Now that Nicoliar's 'husband' Peter Murrell's charge of embezzlement has been submitted to the Prosecution service I am wondering if this will have any effect on those thinking of voting SNP. Who knows if it will eventually go to trial but aware, under Scottish law, we cannot discuss.

And.....today's revelation about Michael Matheson's punishment. Seemingly his suspension from parliament of 54 days equals £11,000 {same as his claim).......I have no words except cannot believe he is paid that amount for less than 2 months. The people in his Falkirk constituency should have a say.

It is now all unravelling for the Scottish Nasty Party.

OneWildBiscuit · 23/05/2024 20:22

I was Labour through and through until the disgraceful character assassination of Jeremy Corbyn in order to make way for Starmer.

I resigned my membership then, hate Starmer and hate what he's done to the Labour Party, but I'll be voting Labour in the GE as it's the best chance of getting rid of the Tories UK wide and the SNP here.

It'd be a cold day in hell before I'd vote Tory, and even then I wouldn't.

yellowridinghood · 23/05/2024 20:27

The MM thing is odd. Swinney lost a lot of his credibility today for backing him. What did he gain from it?

Agree that growing the economy is key. Kate Forbes was saying this the other day, the first time anyone in the SNP has said this for many years. If she wasn’t so loathed within her own party she’d be a candidate for leading the SNP to success.

TheBanffie · 23/05/2024 20:29

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 23/05/2024 14:22

I think it's pretty obvious he was in the habit of permitting the children to access the work laptop while in Scotland, which is an issue in itself, then got caught with his pants down when they did so in Morocco on a redundant SIM.

The idea that it was a deliberate choice to watch on a work laptop to "avoid paying" doesn't stand up, since even if protocol had been followed and the SIM replaced as instructed, there would still have been a significant cost incurred, and there would have been no way to hide that from IT.

His kids did something they were in the habit of doing normally, only they did it outside the UK, either with his consent while he was oblivious to the obvious consequences, or without his consent. He then played innocent, his reasons for this are debateable, and lied after the truth of the matter was known to him.

Ultimately he paid the money from his own pocket, but he should still face sanction for the inappropriate and lax use of SP IT, and then lying about not understanding how the situation came about even after he did, in fact, know exactly how it came about, even if, as he maintains, he did so to prevent his children being dragged into it. I still can not see how this amounts to a "grift". He's been extremely foolish, naive at best, exposed as a liar, and should face consequences.

So he inappropriately allowed his family to use his work laptop and (based on the fact that he claimed he didn't know how the bill was run up) presumably gave them his password. He then tried to put the bill on his expenses - which is attempted fraud. Ignorance (if one believes his denial of understanding how the charges were run up - which either shows stupidity regarding very well publicised roaming charges or failure to supervise his children on the internet) is no excuse and he should step down from parliament. Swinney defending him is frankly embarrassing.

yellowridinghood · 23/05/2024 20:29

Escapetothesun · 23/05/2024 18:50

I am a teacher and for me the biggest issue is the lack of exclusions for violent pupils. I'm not sure if those high in the government understand what's going on but something needs to change.

Also , I've just been told the deportations to Rawanda have been paused until after the GE? Another huge reason why the Tories must be removed. I work with fantastic young people who have been through huge trauma and then been re traumatised by the UK government over this.

What tools does a teacher have to placate a violent pupil? Restorative chats is about it? And that has been binned by Fife Council.

WearyAuldWumman · 23/05/2024 20:32

Awrite · 22/05/2024 20:37

I suspect SNP will hold in my constituency. Fairly decent MP stepping down (retiring) but I don't think Labour will be able take the seat back.

I haven't decided how I will vote yet.

It's the same situation in my constituency, but I don't see Labour getting it back - I'm hearing too many older voters talking about voting Tory for the first time.

PrimalLass · 23/05/2024 20:33

Very glad I can vote for Neale Hanvey. He won't get back in but I want to support him.

Escapetothesun · 23/05/2024 20:34

Depends on the HT and council but some strive to keep violent pupils in their school as it attracts praise from higher up ( or, for example, when inspected). It's really really sad.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 23/05/2024 20:47

TheBanffie · 23/05/2024 20:29

So he inappropriately allowed his family to use his work laptop and (based on the fact that he claimed he didn't know how the bill was run up) presumably gave them his password. He then tried to put the bill on his expenses - which is attempted fraud. Ignorance (if one believes his denial of understanding how the charges were run up - which either shows stupidity regarding very well publicised roaming charges or failure to supervise his children on the internet) is no excuse and he should step down from parliament. Swinney defending him is frankly embarrassing.

It was, and AFAIK still is Scottish Parliament IT policy to use work issued laptops and iPads as Wifi hotspots when abroad. It's not an "attempted fraud", as Matheson himself asked SP IT to investigate the bill and clarify how, precisely, it came about before he submitted it as a standard working expense, and only did so after IT expressly instructed him to do so. I agree with you that to obfuscate the truth after it was known to him is an egregious act of stupidity, especially since the SIM being used was outdated and was supposed to have been replaced by that point, so yes, it is entirely his fault, and it is perfectly appropriate that he pays the expense from his own pocket.

What has become ridiculous is the insistence that Matheson somehow set out to "defraud" expenses, or that this was somehow a "grift". It's clear he made an extremely poor choice in an attempt to cover up his complicity, and for that he needs to be punished, but I do not accept that the sanction suggested by the committee is appropriate, given that it's on a par with the previous harshest sanction meted out to an MSP, and that was for sexually impropriety.

Perhaps a month suspension is appropriate for the offence, but then it's clear that there is a fundamental problem with regard to the strictures available if an "offence" of this nature is considered as serious as sexual misconduct. For that reason, John Swinney is absolutely correct to refuse to sanction it, because it's clear the furore surrounding this has been amplified by committee members determined to play petty politics with it.

Michael Matheson paid the 11k, eventually, and is facing suspension and loss of income. This has generated no end of fizzing and wailing, yet Michelle Donelan's Libel bill was over three times this amount, paid from public purse, and not a peep. The wailing and gnashing from Unionist politicians over this, while completely ignoring and refusing to acknowledge far more egregious cases of misconduct, theft, and criminality from members of their own parties just beggars belief, and Swinney is absolutely correct to tell them to get fucked.

yellowridinghood · 23/05/2024 21:08

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 23/05/2024 20:47

It was, and AFAIK still is Scottish Parliament IT policy to use work issued laptops and iPads as Wifi hotspots when abroad. It's not an "attempted fraud", as Matheson himself asked SP IT to investigate the bill and clarify how, precisely, it came about before he submitted it as a standard working expense, and only did so after IT expressly instructed him to do so. I agree with you that to obfuscate the truth after it was known to him is an egregious act of stupidity, especially since the SIM being used was outdated and was supposed to have been replaced by that point, so yes, it is entirely his fault, and it is perfectly appropriate that he pays the expense from his own pocket.

What has become ridiculous is the insistence that Matheson somehow set out to "defraud" expenses, or that this was somehow a "grift". It's clear he made an extremely poor choice in an attempt to cover up his complicity, and for that he needs to be punished, but I do not accept that the sanction suggested by the committee is appropriate, given that it's on a par with the previous harshest sanction meted out to an MSP, and that was for sexually impropriety.

Perhaps a month suspension is appropriate for the offence, but then it's clear that there is a fundamental problem with regard to the strictures available if an "offence" of this nature is considered as serious as sexual misconduct. For that reason, John Swinney is absolutely correct to refuse to sanction it, because it's clear the furore surrounding this has been amplified by committee members determined to play petty politics with it.

Michael Matheson paid the 11k, eventually, and is facing suspension and loss of income. This has generated no end of fizzing and wailing, yet Michelle Donelan's Libel bill was over three times this amount, paid from public purse, and not a peep. The wailing and gnashing from Unionist politicians over this, while completely ignoring and refusing to acknowledge far more egregious cases of misconduct, theft, and criminality from members of their own parties just beggars belief, and Swinney is absolutely correct to tell them to get fucked.

It's clear he made an extremely poor choice in an attempt to cover up his complicity

But that’s your fraud though Trying to cover up the facts once you have ascertained the truth in order to dodge an £11k bill. No one in their right mind believes the ‘wanting to protect his kids’ nonsense.

OokBook · 23/05/2024 21:23

LogansWalk · 22/05/2024 19:48

I think I'm going to vote Tory for the first time ever.

Why?!

OokBook · 23/05/2024 21:25

StripedTomatoes · 22/05/2024 19:57

"Shall we have a general election thread that's completely biased?" Oh yes, great idea. Hmm

The SNP will still do pretty well in a Westminster election IMO. But we shall see.

🤞 hope so. I've not given up on them yet. They could be better but they're still way more progressive and less corrupt than Labour and the Tories

BigAnne · 23/05/2024 21:31

JennyLake · 22/05/2024 19:34

This WILL be interesting. Even if it doesn’t rid us of the SNP from Holyrood, it will provide a good barometer of public opinion on the recent exploits of the SNP.

Farewell Blackman and Black!

Who do you think would be a good alternative?

OokBook · 23/05/2024 21:31

NotTooOldPaul · 22/05/2024 20:39

I hope that we end up with no Conservative MPs in Scotland and a big majority of SNP MPs as we need to show Westminster that we are fed up with them.

Agreed. I'd like to see more Greens as well, but most of the country seems to disagree with me 😅

OokBook · 23/05/2024 21:39

BigBoysDontCry · 22/05/2024 20:42

What do you think a bigger amount of SNP MPs is going to do for Scotland?

I'm £300 per month better off thanks to the SNP (Scottish Child Payment). It's still a struggle when the kids need bigger shoes, when it's their birthdays, Christmas etc. and I still need to use the food bank at times, but it's a help.
My part-time degree course is paid for by SAAS (Part-Time Fee Grant). Without it I wouldn't be able to afford to study.
Those are only a couple of the many ways the SNP has helped my children and I. If we lived in England, I'd struggle a lot more and my kids would do without a lot more.
The SNP consistently stand up for vulnerable people and stand up against the moral bankruptcy of Westminster. Watching the SNP MPs speak in parliament makes me proud.
I dread an increase in Tories or Red Tories in Scotland.

OokBook · 23/05/2024 21:43

Elieza · 22/05/2024 20:51

I don't know who to vote for at all. A party that doesn't believe in gender and goes by sex instead would be a start for me.

Why are so many people so obsessed with other people's genitalia? People know themselves better than anyone else knows them.. when they tell you who they are, why wouldn't you believe them? What difference does it make to you what gender someone is? They're not doing you any harm. It's bizarre to be so hateful.