Shall we have a Scotsnet general election thread?

[JennyLake]

This WILL be interesting. Even if it doesn’t rid us of the SNP from Holyrood, it will provide a good barometer of public opinion on the recent exploits of the SNP.

Farewell Blackman and Black!

It's a perfectly legitimate reason to vote SNP.

This isn't an independence ref, nobody is under the impression it will result in an SNP majority. The point is though, to show a continual, ongoing rejection of English parties, their representatives, and their long contempt for Scottish issues.

You don't bring Indi any closer by voting for Unionist parties.

Joanna Cherry is my MP. I find this really frustrating because she’s great…but I will never vote for her due to the party that she represents. But I reckon her seat is safe.

Every extra SNP MP is one more MP who will actually challenge London and England-centric politicians and policies, something that no Scottish Unionist MP will do, even when it's an issue that directly, and negatively, impacts upon their own constituents.

Well if Scotland genuinely want rid of Tory rule then we need to get behind Labour and return a load of labour MPs to Westminster to boost the numbers.
But I think some people don't want rid of the Tories as it suits their agenda

Scotland's vote is pretty much an irrelevance in deciding UK governments. If England wants Labour, it will elect Labour regardless of how Scotland votes. The likelihood of Hung Parliament, or even a slim Labour majority, looks increasingly implausible, so no, I don't accept the premise that Scotland has to vote Labour to get rid of the Tories.

But the SNP don't either, they only represent themselves mainly and at a push, independence supporters but essentially they don't give a shit about Scottish people or what we need, no more than anyone else does to be fair. They have had more MPs than ever and failed at every step because they are just not very good. Not very good at anything other than lining their own purses.

Why reward their uselessness? 🤷

I agree England has much bigger numbers @XDownwiththissortofthingX
But Scotland could always be relied upon to really boost labour numbers in the past and see them safely over the line. We could return about 40 labour MPs like we used to. That could make a significant difference if people really had the will to get rid of the Tories

Will be voting to get the SNp guy out
Hope they get a right doin

My feelings too.
Mind, I had not one but TWO representatives of the Conservative party knock on my front door a fortnight ago I did enjoy telling them what I thought !!!

Impressive is not a word I'd ever use to describe DRoss I have to say.

I reckon on a Labour government and hopefully no Tories in Scotland. Think the current SNP MP in my constituency will return.

I’ll be voting SNP. Would never vote Tory, and Scottish labour are just so clearly not in charge of their policies, they are just told what to say and do by Westminster.

Define "failed at every step" please?

You do understand that SNP voters do not vote SNP in Westminster elections under the impression that will return an SNP government?

My local MP is absolutely fantastic, both in how active he is in his constituency, and how frequently he contributes in the House. I see other SNP MP's stand and talk in debates relating to Scotland far more frequently than I ever see Scotland's handful of Unionist MP's ever contribute anything.

Westminster GE's are, for me, about representation, not about the make-up of Government, because Scotland's vote generally has no impact in that regard anyway. I've had Labour MP's before, one utterly hopeless, one marginally less so, neither came anywhere close to the standard of the current SNP MP in terms of representation, and given that I never see Ian Murray contribute anything meaningful in opposition to Sunak and Co, why would I expect any prospective Scottish Labour MP to offer any resistance to a Labour government, rather than just meekly falling into line with whatever Starmer's latest pitch to middle-England is?

"Lining their own purses" - again, context please?

Yip, the old "red rosette on a pig"/"my grandfather voted Labour, my Father voted Labour..." which used to be par for the course in Scotland.

What did it ever get Scotland? Nothing, apart from taken for granted, and a whole load of tantrums and histrionics when they finally lost their hegemony here, something they still haven't been able to move on from.

Oh good, 6 weeks of rararara SNP rhetoric - I’m voting for them, obviously and I particularly loved the best headline ever on the Pisa performance in The National - Scotland, global citizen in declining educational standards - see, not even like rUK in educational achievement, definitely different:

https://www.thenational.scot/news/23968706.pisa-scores-scotlands-educational-scores-decline-global-trends/

To be fair, I think that's a simple case of SLab being so utterly inconsequential that Starmer and Westminster Labour never have the vaguest inkling of what they are up to or what line Sarwar is currently spinning on a given topic.

I don't think it's a case of Sarwar being fed lines by London, given how frequently they completely contradict each other on policy, more that one simply doesn't know what the other is doing, and doesn't care enough to bother about leaving their regional leader with his pants around his ankles constantly.

But as long as our kids are globally competent eh, who needs maths or science?

https://ifs.org.uk/news/declining-education-performance-scotland-particularly-maths-and-science

yeah, those unionists are definitely to blame for this:

There are wide gaps in test scores between pupils from rich and poor backgrounds. Across subjects, between 77 and 91 PISA points separate the top and bottom quintiles in terms of socio-economic background, with the biggest gap being in science. In maths, the gap is equivalent to that between the UK as a whole and Kazakhstan or Romania.

the SNP, global leaders.

If you have an active MP that you feel is working for you then obviously that's good for you. Mine is a sleazy lazy gobshite who does fuck all other than line his pockets and bully anyone who doesn't support SNP.

And of course I don't think that people think they are going to get an SNP government in Westminster 🙄

I think there is a difference between standing up with the usual chip on your shoulder politics moaning, and actively working with other opposing or in power parties to make improvements for everyone. Grievance junkies feeding into the discord that they've sown with other grievance junkies.

Torys then.
Il be voting tory.
Good riddance to the SNP.

"Grievance Junkies".

Dearie me.

Dont know who to vote for. Won't vote SNP or Green. Wont vote Tory or Labour.

Either Lib Dem or spoil my vote

The SNP are going to get a well deserved spanking

Arrogant and corrupt and out of ideas and devoid of ethics

Fellow constituent, @BigBoysDontCry Would love to see Daddy Bear kicked out on his arse…

Yip, the old "red rosette on a pig"/"my grandfather voted Labour, my Father voted Labour..." which used to be par for the course in Scotland.

I would see it as people in Scotland making a positive choice to return to labour in this election because they want rid of Tory austerity.
But there seems to be plenty who are not that bothered about getting rid of the Tories

I think I'll have to spoil my vote.

I won't vote Green or Lib Dem or SNP

I always used to think of the most vulnerable person I knew and whose policies were best for that person - generally Labour. But they don't know what a woman is so I can't vote for them.

I can't vote Tory. Surely not. I can't vote for them. Yet of all my list MSPs (I know not the same election) my Tory MSP works the hardest. Responds to every email I send with a considered and detailed response.

They are the most diverse party.

They know what a woman is.

I can't. I can't do it.

I'll wait and see who my local candidates are and decide.

I'll spoil my vote. I think it's the only choice I have.

That would make sense if Labour were offering anything that suggested they intend to rid us of Austerity. Granted, it's too early for manifestos yet, but the likes of Rachel Reeves has been doing everything she can to imply that the Tories aren't cutting government spending enough, and as far as she's concerned, the poor, sick, and disabled need hammered even harder than the Tories are suggesting.

Hardly encouraging.