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Shall we have a Scotsnet general election thread?

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JennyLake · 22/05/2024 19:34

This WILL be interesting. Even if it doesn’t rid us of the SNP from Holyrood, it will provide a good barometer of public opinion on the recent exploits of the SNP.

Farewell Blackman and Black!

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Jeezitneverends · 23/05/2024 08:38

kikisparks · 23/05/2024 07:56

We have free prescriptions, no university fees, no bedroom tax (might not be on your radar but it has been hideous pushing already poor families further into poverty), free personal care, Scottish child payment, free bus travel for under 22s, free school meals for primary school children, no fracking, the best IVF provision in the UK, carer’s allowance supplement, and many more things that you may not agree your tax should be funding but which many people are benefiting from and would feel it has done them good.

I’m a high rate tax payer but I am happy that the Scottish Government have actually cared about child poverty and tried to do something about it.

The UN special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights’ report really hit home to me how lucky we are to have a devolved government and not had to live purely under Tory rule https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/Poverty/EOM_GB_16Nov2018.pdf

“Even while devolved authorities in Scotland and Northern Ireland are frantically trying to devise ways to ‘mitigate’, or in other words counteract, at least the worst features of the Government’s benefits policy, Ministers insisted to me that all is well and running according to plan.”

Are SNP amazing? No. Do they have faults? Of course, you don’t need me to tell you them, I’m sure plenty of others will be along to jump on and list them. Is it helpful to argue they are only bad people only interested in lining their own pockets? Well personally I don’t think so.

I wish politics wasn’t as polarising and venomous, but then whilst I can happily understand there may be reasons for anyone choosing to vote labour or Lib Dem, I feel uncomfortable about anyone voting for the tories given what I see as their horrific track record. I suppose that’s how some people feel about me voting SNP. Maybe the tories too have done many great things that others have benefitted from even if I personally don’t agree with my tax being spent that way, but mostly what I see is failed billion pound contracts given to their friends, lying in parliament and proposing ridiculous poverty solutions like “get a better job” (well who will do the worse jobs then?).

Can you please rephrase “free” to taxpayer funded.

We’re middle income and are now higher rate tax payers and it’s absolutely killing us as we just tip into the higher tax bracket

Einwegflasche · 23/05/2024 08:40

kikisparks · 23/05/2024 08:30

I had never heard of that, I honestly thought every school in Scotland finished at end of June. Oh well, every day is a school day (no pun intended 😬).

To be fair I think most used to.
Ours finish on 3rd July, so I expect a massive queue for the ferry on 4th July!

Misthios · 23/05/2024 08:42

I have no idea whether my local MP is good or not. She won the seat from Jo Swinson last time round and although to be fair she has been unwell, she ran on a ticket of “local girl for local issues” but has been completely invisible. Would not be able to pick her out in a line up. I also don’t agree with the Lib Dem definition of a woman but they are a lesser evil than the SNP.

Jollyvacance · 23/05/2024 08:42

@kikisparks I agree the child poverty target is well chosen (although, what’s taken them so long?), and, the SNP have done more here than other parties. However…children from poorer backgrounds are massively failed by Scottish education, this is squarely the fault of the SNP, the IFS report I linked makes it clear that they have a huge problem with educational outcomes.

young adults are looking forward to a poorer future too due to educational failures. Poverty will endure due to poor educational outcomes.

Scotland needs the coalition it’s supposed to have, for too long the SNP have had too much power - and Westminster too.

No party is all bad but we need policy held to more scrutiny than it has been, from any governing party.

yellowridinghood · 23/05/2024 08:46

2chocolateoranges · 23/05/2024 07:30

I don’t think any general election should be when there is school holidays, majority of people I know go away the first two weeks of the summer holiday, so either won’t vote or need to get a postal vote.

I also believe that the only party that can make a difference in getting the Tories out is a labour vote so that’s where I’ll be going.

would love to see a reduction in the SNP votes too. Hopefully Humza Yousaf has done enough damage .

I think if you are incapable of working out how to arrange a postal vote you really shouldn’t be allowed to vote. It’s really, really not hard!

JennyLake · 23/05/2024 08:50

Do we think a catastrophic loss of SNP seats at Westminster could force an early Scottish election?

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Misthios · 23/05/2024 08:51

JennyLake · 23/05/2024 08:50

Do we think a catastrophic loss of SNP seats at Westminster could force an early Scottish election?

As if. They will just carry on as long as they possibly can.

Jollyvacance · 23/05/2024 08:53

Oh and, silly me, I forgot to add, Scottish children are being failed by mh and other NHS waiting lists…all of these being critical to poor outcomes and enduring poverty.

frankly I’m done with any one party being the answer, it’s clear all around the world that too long with too much power is bad…better, balanced policy that is improved from debate would be nice.

Jeezitneverends · 23/05/2024 09:01

JennyLake · 23/05/2024 08:50

Do we think a catastrophic loss of SNP seats at Westminster could force an early Scottish election?

We can only hope, but I think they’d cling on like grim death…see Michael Matheson…

Misthios · 23/05/2024 09:08

It’s all about the money money money… can you really see anyone in the Scottish govt commanding the equivalent of a mp or msp salary in the private sector?

Skyellaskerry · 23/05/2024 09:10

Just joining this thread!

Hedjwitch · 23/05/2024 09:25

So what if its in the school holidays? Having lived in Scotland for the best part of 60 years I wasnt aware the entire country shut down and went abroad the minute the schools shut. Must have missed that.

I believe the referendum also took place during the October school holidays and dont remember an outcry.

flyingwingsabove · 23/05/2024 09:39

Hedjwitch · 23/05/2024 09:25

So what if its in the school holidays? Having lived in Scotland for the best part of 60 years I wasnt aware the entire country shut down and went abroad the minute the schools shut. Must have missed that.

I believe the referendum also took place during the October school holidays and dont remember an outcry.

The referendum was in September.

Also, just saying that most of my circle of family and friends are away on holiday that week. Up to them if they register for a postal vote or just don’t bother voting. None of my business what they do but plenty of people are away.

dementedpixie · 23/05/2024 09:45

Hedjwitch · 23/05/2024 09:25

So what if its in the school holidays? Having lived in Scotland for the best part of 60 years I wasnt aware the entire country shut down and went abroad the minute the schools shut. Must have missed that.

I believe the referendum also took place during the October school holidays and dont remember an outcry.

We always go away just as the schools finish (sometimes a few days before) as its cheaper to go then rather than when the English schools have finished for summer

2chocolateoranges · 23/05/2024 09:46

yellowridinghood · 23/05/2024 08:46

I think if you are incapable of working out how to arrange a postal vote you really shouldn’t be allowed to vote. It’s really, really not hard!

No one said it was hard, I was just saying some people might just say fuck it and not bother voting.

@Hedjwitch the big thing about it being in the school holidays is that many people are actually on holiday and either May decide not to vote or forget to register. Ask any Scottish travel agent and they will tell you the first two weeks of Scottish school holiday are the busiest for people going on holiday.

Jollyvacance · 23/05/2024 09:48

Yeah, but what percentage of people go away away in the first two weeks of school holidays? It is probably a middle class problem…

ChanWork · 23/05/2024 09:50

Does anyone know if SNP are still going to use their outcome of this GE on whether they have a mandate for a 2nd referendum?
I thought that was just a policy of Humza's but John Swinney interview today was all about benefits of an independent Scotland so I guess he's sticking with it

Jollyvacance · 23/05/2024 09:50

I mean, I’m sure us naice mumsnetters know a lot of folk on holiday in July but the actual impact on people with kids on a holiday to a place they can’t vote at…

User2460177 · 23/05/2024 09:54

kikisparks · 23/05/2024 07:32

If your seat was between SNP and Tory to win it would you vote SNP?

Mine probably is. I may vote Tory for the first time in my life as my current SNP MP is the worst type of misogynist who I could never vote for (again- I have done previously).

User2460177 · 23/05/2024 09:57

Jollyvacance · 23/05/2024 09:48

Yeah, but what percentage of people go away away in the first two weeks of school holidays? It is probably a middle class problem…

Many people do. If you’re doing uk holidays or abroad it’s cheaper. I do Butlins with my kids and we get term time prices because the English schools are not off.

Jollyvacance · 23/05/2024 09:59

And this is the issue with lack of data, I bet whilst inconvenient it’s not many people being hit by a holiday voting issue. Data matters.

ThomasinaLivesHere · 23/05/2024 10:16

I think the point about how the election wouldn’t be called in the first few weeks of English school holidays is relevant regardless of how easy it is to do postal votes. We’ll see if voting goes down although I imagine there will be lots of people not voting because they’re disillusioned so will be hard to tell.

Timetodownsize · 23/05/2024 10:16

The proposed second indy ref last year ( which didn't happen) was meant to be in October - during the school holidays.

MistyWitch · 23/05/2024 11:15

I can't bring myself to vote Tory. It goes against all my core values. Particularly because they are just so bloody awful in every respect other than knowing what a woman is and saving Scotland from GRR. Still can't vote for them though. Won't vote SNP, Labour, Green or Lib Dem either. Hoping for a decent independent or I'll be spoiling my ballot.

Nanalisa60 · 23/05/2024 11:57

Well I think it’s got to be Tory for me, I have voted SNP for about a decade, but I’m finish with them. STEPHEN FLYNN is a arse so unless I think someone else can beat him then it John WHEELER . I’m not voting for Mohammad Tauqeer Malik ( who seems to have drop the Mohammad part of his name on the ballot papers) so if he can’t even tell the truth about his name or who he is then I can’t trust him, he is also a councillor in the city and the mess that have made with bus gate and ULEZ he wont be getting vote.

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