XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

There is a MN user who is a Vet and she said the number of Staff required to treat an XL Pit Bull {which is what they are} is off the scale compared to a normal pet dog.
They have had to have up to SIX staff members to help control it {owner obviously useless} - plus there have been other clients visiting vets where the waiting rooms have needed to be cleared because an XL Pit Bully has come in - for the safety of the other pets, their owners and the staff.

These massive Pit Bulls it's thought have a ''Rage'' gene in them that causes Them to flip without warning.

The one that slaughtered little Jack Lees was related to the one that slaughtered Mia Delorean {aged 4}

Human aggressive genes - {it's already known they attack usually smaller pets and nice dogs and horses and sheep} - who wants to breed these abominations?

Answer: Sad inadequates who feel the need to be 'bolstered' by having a large aggressive dog that make people want to cross the road with their child or pet. {or horse}.

I can only imagine what some vets are having to deal with at the moment @oakleaffy - that sounds awful for that MNetter. I’m not surprised there are vets who refuse to treat these dogs - good for them for protecting themselves, their staff and their patients.

Awwww @oakleaffy . What a cutie wee furbaby! Poor doggo, it's the deed not the breed and all this lovely girl needs is a forever home in Scotland and someone who will love her forever....

In the real world, what that mistreated, violent and damaged dog needs is to be put to sleep.

I'm sorry but that is utter nonsense; 6 staff for one dog?
As of now, any XL will be muzzled before it leaves its home, at a vet the owner, vet and if needed a vet nurse would be adequate.
It's a large breed dog not a bloody lion, do they treat rotties, newfies with the same staff ratio?

do they treat rotties, newfies with the same staff ratio?

Those dogs are temperamentally completely different.

Nah. I'll decide where/when/what I post. I'll attempt to use/understand the English language to the best of my ability. When I see anyone attempting to be snide and, when called out on it, attempt to change the narrative to cover their own arse and patronise another poster - my neck will be oot - fully oot. 👍

Do you not understand the temperament differences, jaw strength differences and muscle power differences? When considering the risk assessment of these factors, yes, the XL bully will absolutely require more people on hand.

You’ll have to put your question to that MNetter @HerMammy but presumably with her many years training and experience she has a very good reason for it. I imagine it’s something to do with its size, tempo and bite power.

Incidentally, how many Newfie’s have mauled people to death in the last ten years compared to these bullies, given you chose them for your example?

And again the dog will be muzzled and not every one is lunging and trying to kill, I'm well aware of temperaments etc having worked in rescue for many years.
Many XL are owned by responsible owners hence 4000+ exemption applications being received.
As per the classic MN always frothing and labelling everything they don't like as chav, rough etc
The DDA has never been fit for purpose as it has never seen any breed eliminated and most seizures are based on appearance and rarely for behaviour, not fit for purpose.

Clearly you know better than the vet professional bodies @HerMammy . A huge number of the owners of these beasts CANNOT CONTROL THEM and even if they are muzzled that is not going to stop them kicking off. You really think vets are going in heavy handed for shits and giggles?

I cannot believe there are still people out there who are defending people's rights to have these animals, have them behave badly and import them into Scotland when England/Wales has seen sense and done something about them.

And yes, the chavs/neds will just switch into another type of dog and it's like whack a mole trying to keep up with what they will go for next. But at least the government in England/wales are trying to do something, unlike the Scottish government who are pretending it's not an issue at all.

I don't think all people who choose XL bully puppies are 'rough' or ' chavs'.

I do think they're incredibly foolish in taking such an risk. And if they have children, they're also very selfish.

What good reason is there for anyone to choose an XL bully puppy specifically over another breed of dog? Genuine question.

I'd like to know this also. If you're a particular fan of bully breeds, why not a staffie from a reputable breeder?

I don't think all people who choose XL bully puppies are 'rough' or ' chavs'.

Not all. Just most.

And agree absolutely deluded and blinkered if they think that out of all the possible dogs into the world to bring into their family home the best one is an XL bully.

A colleague has adopted a dog (in England) who meets the XL bully specifications. Dog is about a year old. Despite likely knowing about the ban when she adopted, she still did so.
Colleague is now moaning about having a too small garden, having to pay to use private fields, having to pay for neutering, registrating dog etc, having to muzzle dog all the time and how its making both their lives and dogs more restricted. But she won't euthanise it or rehome it in Scotland. Says she made a 'commitment' to the dog - yeah, as I said, she did this knowing about the ban!
She expects me to be sympathetic, I'm trying to stay neutral. I'm not sympathetic at all. People should not be buying these dogs. They are too strong and more of a status symbol than a pet.

You didn’t answer my question @HerMammy - deaths from Newfie’s v XL bullies?

And agree absolutely deluded and blinkered if they think that out of all the possible dogs into the world to bring into their family home the best one is an XL bully.

And also deluded if they think they have control. Any owner of a dog of this type ‘has control’ for as long as the dog allows it - and that goes for the adult men, let alone the wives/girlfriends/children of the family.

It is beyond me how people can watch the many videos we have seen of these dogs attacking random passers-by and not recognise that the speed, focus and commitment to attack is not that of a normal dog. However, the fact that they don’t recognise it is yet more evidence of why they’re not fit to own them.

@SirChenjins
I was referencing size and weight, what exactly will 6 staff be doing?
I doubt the idiot owners go near a vet and responsible ones train and socialise their dogs which enables a regular vet visit.
I've been a bull breed owner all my life, all trained and socialised, no hint of aggression.

Why are you asking me? You’ll need to ask the vet in question.

@HerMammy

What good reason is there for anyone to choose an XL bully puppy specifically over another breed of dog? Especially if they have children?Genuine question.

They like the breed, why do ppl choose any dog?
I had a cane corso, adopted at 6 mths, he was a great dog, well socialised and trained, never a worry
Sadly passed away now.
We all like what we like.

What specifically is there to like about an XL bully that can’t be found in other smaller, less dangerous dogs?

But what is it that someone with children could like enough about the XL bully breed that it's worth introducing one into the family home knowing that the risk of harm to the child is far greater than that of other much less powerful dogs?

What is it about the XL bully breed makes it worth taking that risk when you have kids?

Decent XL bully owners will surely acknowledge that risk because it would be irresponsible and foolish to have read up so little on animal behaviours that they don't understand why the risk is greater.

Would you choose an XL bully if you had children? Would you rescue one if you had children?

As you seem to not think it's a foolish thing to do so I wondered if you'd do it yourself.

If not, why not?

I guess people choose breeds based on lifestyle. Energetic for those that like being out and about, calm and friendly for those looking for a companion, big and threatening looking for those that want a status symbol...

It was completely out of control
They are built like 🦛 hippos.
Rottweilers are usually under their owner’s control, as are Great Danes .
XL Pit Bullies are not like other dogs
Due to horrendous inbreeding and being a fighting type and not particularly biddable or intelligent as intelligence isn’t needed in the fighting pit.

Out of the eleven fatal dog attacks in two years from XL Bullies in this country, nine are on adults. Eight of those adults were fit and well before the attack and six were grown men.

The vet is right to be wary.