XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

Not the story I was looking for, but one I found.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/11398178/xl-bully-attack-teenager-motherwell-police/

This is an update on the story I had been looking for:

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-pensioner-attacked-xl-bully-31689541

(Sorry to barge in on a Scottish thread from across the border.)

If you look at fatalities from dog attacks from the 1980s onwards, they are almost all children or people vulnerable in another way (epileptic fits seem to be a trigger.)

Then we get to 2021 and while children are still most vulnerable (Bella Rae Birch and Jack Lis) we also have a number of fit, well adults killed by them, including men in their 20s/30s and are in their ‘prime’ fitness it you like.

But people keep saying there’s no difference between them and spaniels.

I don’t pretend to understand.

I’m simply uninterested in living amongst animals that can kill me if not trained well. That’s my line. Any dog I couldn’t fend off if it went mental.

AIstolemylunch Funnily enough at the time of the DEFRA committee which was tasked to discuss the potential ban way back in October the petition asking for reconsideration of the ban had over 500k signatures, compared to just 28k on the opposing petition supporting the ban. May have changed now of course but those were the figures that Coffey had when she looked at the findings

I think there are far better option than this ban and BSL. If anyone’s interested this is an informative website https://www.licenceme.org.uk/a-better-solution

@Superfans i just wanted to say I am also an HCP who used to do home visits and @hollysmumma is absolutely right. “Having a dog” is not a protected characteristic, and your safety is important too. If anything, it’s more valued in this situation as you could be injured while doing your job. If it’s any help, I used to fib and say I was allergic to dog bites and would go into shock if bitten, if a patient refused to shut their dog away, and it was pretty effective* (much smaller dogs than XXLs, btw)
*this isn’t to make light of people with real allergies, dog attacks can and do happen to HCPs and it was the most effective strategy available to me.

Absolutely this.

Good luck to Scotland, especially given that those people who claim their dogs of this type are wonderfully trained family pets presumably aren’t the ones abandoning them in their droves either.

Yes I could quite believe that, the only people motivated to try and overturn the ban are XL Bully owners. For other people, job done.

@SirChenjins
Better tell all the professionals who support SNP that you think they fit your demographic, wind your neck in.

If you google, there are already a whole host of non-fatal bully attacks in Scotland as well as quite a number of fatal attacks on other dogs.
It really is only a matter of time, and the SNP will have blood on their hands.

A lot of those 500k signatures came off the back of all the Marshall and Millions groups.
Added to which there are many many back street breeding operations and anyone who has acquired one of the breed to make money off who would be right against the ban.

@Charleycccc000

I have an XL bully and he tends to ignore passers by but sometimes he just wants a sniff, like 90% of other dog breeds. I have 2 young children and he’s a credit to us. Unless they are being trained incorrectly you shouldn’t pin them all under the same judgement. My boy is called Olaf & pees himself of a dog growls at him. He is the biggest softy ever. Don’t judge a book by its cover he’s 3 and I’ve never had any issues with him at all.

Of all the breeds you could have chosen, especially with young children, could you explain why you chose an XL bully? I can't get my head around it.

Any dog can attack and this can happen through no fault of their own - if they get a brain tumour / if they're scared / if they think they're protecting someone in error...

But some dogs can be overpowered if this happens. And some dogs would be able to injure by physically unlikely to cause life changing injuries or death.

No matter how well behaved your boy is in principle, the fact is that if any of those things happen, you absolutely could not overpower him to stop the attack from escalating. You simply couldn't due to the breed's size and strength.

I can't understand bringing an animal into your home when if that animal did attack, there would be absolutely no way to overpower it.

I appreciate you love the dog but can't you see why people believe it's so irresponsible to have them in a home with children in particular?

I thought all these XL bully owners were responsible and put effort into training and all the other crap they spout.

If that was true, and their pets were such a massive part of the family wouldn’t they move heaven and earth to do right by them- the cost of following the legislation would surely be worth it.

They know when they surrender them to a rescue that it’s a death sentence for the dog. They’re just be more bothered about the lost potential revenue for the puppies that they were planning to have.
Got to fund the knock off stone island and balenciaga trainers some how 🤦‍♀️

I was gutted when I learned about this difference between Scotland and England, I only saw it in the news last week.

I want to march on Holyrood tbh. Is there any campaign group? Someone is going to die in Scotland in the next few years and I'm damned if I'm going to let it happen without a fight.

Someone at our primary school has one, and they brought it to the school at pick up time. 400 screaming children running around while it sat there, 3 times the size of its owner with a stupid little string round its neck. I went straight to the head teacher who thankfully reminded the parents of the 'no dogs' rule.

More of the demographic that we’re talking about vote SNP - wind your own neck in.

Every single bit of footage I've seen of these dogs attacking is different from a standard dog attack in that there's no fear and weirdly little obvious aggression. They are wagging their tails while they kill. They are clearly doing exactly what they've been bred to do, and are taking great joy in it. To have this breed characteristic in an animal with the size and strength of an XL Bully is a disaster of a double whammy. Even if breeds like Cane Corsos or Anatolian Shephards get popularised instead, they've at least got some inhibitions due to their guarding instincts (although I'm sure there will still be tragic incidents as backyard breeders proceed to breed them badly).
I don't think XL Bullies are remotely suitable to be in homes with children or out in general public.

I could be wrong here but my guess is that it is the posters other half that has sold her on having this dog. I've no doubt it was an adorable puppy and easy to be convinced. I also think that the poster is genuine in thinking her dog has been surrounded by love and is a family pet. However as we've pretty much all stated, it's the unpredictability of dogs that is the issue and that other dogs have less tendency to attack bred into them and are a 1000 times easier to control if they attacked.

In this case the statistics do not lie. Dog attacks/killings were reducing year on year until the ownership of these dogs started. Levels are rising and pretty much all attributed to these breed types..

I genuinely feel sorry for the dogs but I'd get that thing out of my house. It's like leaving a toddler alone with a loaded gun imo.

Nope. I have a Labrador and I don’t support the ban. Ive campaigned and raised money and given a considerable amount of money to a local rescue to neuter/spay dogs classed as type, train them, have them temperament tested, paid for the exemption certs and rehomed in the U.K. Those that couldn’t be rehomed were transported to Scotland.

Please stop using the “XL” tag as it’s not a breed. Some of these dogs are crossed with Labradors or some other large breed.

What I don’t understand is why nobody targets the human breeder greeder and what you hope to achieve by not targeting the brainless, dickless human involved in creating these dogs. They didn’t arrive by magic.
Cross a Cane Corso with a Kangal, throw in some bad breeding and a twatty dog fighting owner and god help you. It would eat an ‘XL’ for bloody breakfast and then move on to your family for snacks.

I guess as usual the Goverment has gone for the easy crowd pleasing hit. Idiots! and OP clearly hates all dogs and sounds unhinged!

No she doesn’t @Missingmyusername she sounds eminently sensible and is saying what most of us think. Of course the breeders should be targeted, but no dog is 100% reliable even with the best training or temperament testing there is. If a dog is spooked or is in pain or develops a brain tumour or whatever then I’d much rather face down a Westie than an XL bully - a dog that has no place in society and that has been created by mindless idiots.

Those that couldn’t be rehomed were transported to Scotland.

Wow, thanks for that @Missingmyusername . Fobbing off these problem, vicious, nasty dogs on those of us who live in Scotland.

Except that's not what you actually said. Your comment is in bold below. It reads as a person most likely to vote SNP is in 'that particular demographic" as opposed to the majority of 'that particular demographic' being SNP voters.

I agree with @HerMammy and you really should wind your neck in.

"What surprises me is that Scotland hasn't had the same experience. I guess these dangerous inbred dogs haven't been fashionable amongst a particular demographic like they were here

That particular demographic up here are the ones most likely to vote SNP…"

And you should do as I told HerMammy to do in return and wind your own neck in.

Not surprisingly the poster shouting bigot at those who won’t treat bullies and supporting front room bully rescues is also the one who seems very keen to defend the SNP.

Except that it reads the exact opposite to me.

Essentially, you don't need to be a bully owning idiot to vote snp but if you are a bully owning idiot chances are that you also vote SNP.

An absolute liability that they are allowed to be shifted up to Scotland and Ireland, too.

They are horrendously inbred with known ''HA'' genes in the UK ones {Human Aggressive} that have been condensed by dreadful Back yard breeding practices.

This one for example.
Two litters at two , seven homes and aggressive with each one.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12906881/xl-bully-ripped-testicles-attacked-partner.html