XL bully dogs and Scotland

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Another blinder by our "wonderful" government. I was not aware that the ban on these awful chav beast dogs only applied in England and Wales. No legislation to ban/restrict them in Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-67787667

Some dim woman who runs a "bullie rescue" says she has been "inundated". Isn't that just marvellous.

I don't disagree with the principle of what you are saying re legislation but like many I feel completely disinfranchised by the current scotgov and have no faith or trust in them so feel that I'd be pissing in the wind.

This is a matter of public safety so why wouldn't you more or less just follow suit knowing you have an open border and an understanding of human nature.

As for the water quality was it not shown that there is just as much dumping and pollution going on up here but it's just not a matter of public knowledge?

If you honestly think that the SNP/Greens will listen to the voting public then you’re naive in the extreme. Look at how many ridiculous failed policies and legislation there’s been recently - attempts this one wouldn’t get a look in.

Sorry, that to @Yolo12345

@BigBoysDontCry ok you might not be happy withy the current gov, but with all due respect, this is just how legislation works...you can't just copy/paste the good bits and introduce them...boom, job done. In a democracy (or quasi democracy, with monarchy, House of Lords etc) there still has to be due diligence, consultations, proper drafting, first and second readings...it takes time.

Scotland introduced universal provision of hot school meals for primary school children (to a certain age), which is a matter of public health and arguably benefits the society as a whole... the argument could be made that England should adopt this too, but they show no signs in doing so.

Anyway I don't wish to detail the thread about XL Bullys, but it's hard to see sweeping generalisations about governance that wrongly imply the way in which government and legislation works.

Sad to say it will take another Jack Lis or Ian Price to happen in Scotland for Scotland to catch up.

England and Wales need to go further anyway. All xl bullies should be pts. It’s not enough that they are muzzled in public. That wouldn’t have saved Jack or Ian.

With all due respect back, there isn't a good record on due diligence, consultation etc with this government is there? They listen to fuck all and force things through regardless. There is no 2nd chamber, no protection etc in Scotland.

I'd also disagree that universal free school meals like many other universal benefits are they way to go, so completely understand why they aren't introduced elsewhere in the UK. Better to target money on people who need it, same goes for the baby boxes, free prescriptions, free university etc

But yes, this is about XL bullies and the failure of Scotgov to do anything whilst clearly the legislation has been sorted quickly in Westminster due to the public safety issues. But hey, why worry about that when you have baby boxes?

Where are you getting that insurance companies will still cover them in many instances.Have a look round on Facebook of all the comments of people trying to get insurance and being told no and no one able to find a company to insure.The exception certificate is irrelevant to the insurance.These companies were not insuring before the ban was announced.
Now if you are talking about third party insurance then yes that is offered by Dogs Trust at £25 per year but that does not cover health insurance ie vets.

Hi I understand your point of view but why does a dog pulling towards you mean it’s showing aggression? I have an XL bully and he tends to ignore passers by but sometimes he just wants a sniff, like 90% of other dog breeds. I have 2 young children and he’s a credit to us. Unless they are being trained incorrectly you shouldn’t pin them all under the same judgement. My boy is called Olaf & pees himself of a dog growls at him. He is the biggest softy ever. Don’t judge a book by its cover he’s 3 and I’ve never had any issues with him at all.

They are all fine until they aren't. Lets ignore for a moment that these dogs were bred for dog fighting and aggression was a wanted characteristic, and focus on the physicality.

If an average dog, spaniel/lab/collie etc was aggressive towards a passer by. There is a high chance that anyone over say the age of 12 would be able to hold it back. Even if it was loose, the chances of it doing major damage/killing someone are pretty slim.

The XL bullies and similar types are big, muscular and strong. Difficult for even grown adults to control and if it attacked, with that style of jaw and the tendency to grip, they can do a lot of damage in a short space of time.

I grew up with dogs, I don't hate them but I'd never have one of these types and it would be a cold day in hell before I'd allow one anywhere near children regardless if how much the owner claimed what a big softy it was.

A friend recently had her collie turn on her as its just developed epilepsy and reacted after the seizure. This is a loving dog brought up in a quiet nurturing home with experienced owners. As it was not an XL bully she was able to push it off and leave the room with just a bit of bruising for her trouble. Wouldn't be the case with one of these breed types.

Who'd take the chance?

I don’t want your dog anywhere near me @Charleycccc000. I don’t care if it’s a chihuahua or a Labrador or an xl bully. I don’t care if it “wants a sniff”. It is YOUR job as an owner to keep it the fuck away from other people. Jeezo.

DH won’t seeing any to treat them and neither will a load of other vets we know. Judging by the influx of idiots recently bringing these things to Scotland and trying to register with a practices many vets don’t have space within their practices to accommodate them. Our practice is unfortunately closed for any new registrations.

Current guidance from the RCVS.

https://www.rcvs.org.uk/setting-standards/advice-and-guidance/xl-bully-dog-ban/?&&type=rfst&set=true#cookie-widget

Team safety is paramount.

@EucalyptusPeppermint
Nowhere does it state refusing to treat a dog based on breed or appearance.
Your DH, if a vet sounds extremely bigoted and ignorant.

The DH sounds like a small business owner making a decision to minimise the risks to himself and his staff.

Hi Charley, I would love to know why you chose this breed given you have young children. I am absolutely not trying to be goady, but would love to understand what is the thinking when choosing such a massive strong breed.

You seem a reasonable person from your post so I hope you don't mind me asking.

@BigBoysDontCry how are you disenfranchised? Are you being prevented from voting? The Scottish voting system is in fact significantly more representative than FPTP so I don’t see how you can feel disenfranchised. Or do you mean “my fellow Scots vote the wrong way, the bastards.”?

My local facebook pages have multiple posts from people asking if anyone knows any rescues in Scotland they can send their dogs to. I live very near where that dog walker had her throat ripped out by her own XL Bully last year (someone I know saw her body and is still having PTSD counselling). Good luck Scotland!

No he doesn’t, he sounds very sensible. I’m sure his staff and other patients appreciate his approach too - I certainly wouldn’t sit in a small waiting room with my small dog alongside an XL bully. If people are stupid enough to get one then they have to accept that not everyone wants to be in the vicinity of something that could maul you to death quite easily.

I said I feel completely disenfranchised and I'm entitled to feel any way I want thanks very much. I also gave reasons. This government are meant to represent everyone regardless of who they voted for. They are meant to listen to their constituents.

There is no evidence that any feedback given is taken on board.

I've written to my msps on a couple of matters, the only response I ever receive is from the tory member.

I will continue to use my vote as I have done in every single election since I was 18. I'll continue to vote for whoever has the best chance of getting rid of this bunch of incompetent lazy grifters.

Our local vet won't see or treat XL Bullies either. The nearest vet that she knows of, who will treat them, is 45 miles away, so that's who she recommends.

Reading with interest as I see a lot of England (including here on MN) defending these dogs and it seems most of the Scots posters on this thread are against them.

At least people in Scotland seem to have the sense to see the danger in them, whereas all I seem to see on social media from England and wales is people wailing about how soft they are and how could the government do such a thing.

Hope the Scottish government follow suit and introduce some tougher laws as there seems to be a much better appetite for the appropriate controls with them amongst the population north of the border than we have down here!

You're very wrong. Those people in England are in the massive, massive minority. Most people in England pushed for and fully support the ban. Bear in mind we've had to watch multiple accounts of attacks and deaths on the news in the last couple of years, many about children and toddlers, and most people have seen the footage of that poor chap being killed in his mother's garden. Everyone I know in England, including myself, has had the experience of walking past an XL Bully, or multiple, being dragged along by an owner that clearly would have no chance of stopping it if it went for you.

What surprises me is that Scotland hasn't had the same experience. I guess these dangerous inbred dogs haven't been fashionable amongst a particular demographic like they were here.

Give it six months. Guaranteed once the first social media footage of an attack happens in Scotland, post-English ban, the SNP will turn tail on this.

What surprises me is that Scotland hasn't had the same experience. I guess these dangerous inbred dogs haven't been fashionable amongst a particular demographic like they were here

That particular demographic up here are the ones most likely to vote SNP…

I think that mnet is not particularly representative of the Scottish population.

It's also a much smaller population so proportion wise, given how thankfully rare a death by dog attack is, is not unusual that there hasn't been one in Scotland yet.

It's a ticking time bomb. The dog warden reckoned there were about 30 of these dogs in the estate next to ours and it's not a large area e.g. a 1 intake a year primary serves both that estate and ours. There were still puppies available to buy on that estate recently.

There was an attack by one of these dogs along the road from me. The poor little boy was only 5 and it was his family dogs. Thankfully he made it albeit had severe facial injuries and ended up in hospital for months at one point it was touch and go due to the injuries. But there has been attacks by these dogs in scotland and not once have I seen anything about them in the paper only on fb etc. I wouldn't have believed it myself if I didn't know the family.