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so it's a no to Indyref2

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HeraldicBlazoning · 23/11/2022 10:04

And I'm quite glad. My mental health was shot to pieces by the first one.

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Scottishskifun · 24/11/2022 18:09

@Honeysuckle16 The Scottish govt balances the books??? Seriously where have you been?!
There is a 2 billion pound decificit this financial year alone due to the Scottish govt over zealous approach to counting those eligible to pay the increase in income tax here. They took the powers so a reduction from grant.
The Scottish govt has admitted this. Not sure where you have been living if you think the Scottish govt balance the books I certainly don't call 2 billion per year small change!

slowquickstep · 24/11/2022 18:38

Forfrigz · 23/11/2022 18:28

Feckless alkies the lot of them

😆😆😆Aye

Selkiesarereal · 24/11/2022 20:04

It in an interesting point on where do we draw the line in vote percentage.

Is it if just one more person votes for independence than those who don’t or do we learn from Brexit which continues to rage and therefore set a higher limit of say 60%?

We just can’t keep going back and forth as the uncertainty does no one any good and just keeps the divisive debate to continue.

SirChenjins · 24/11/2022 20:09

60% is a good cut off I’d say - it removes any ambiguity. I’d also want to see a minimum of 60% in a majority of regions so that the whole of Scotland isn’t taken out of the union on the say so of Glasgow, for example.

ScotsLassie322 · 24/11/2022 21:30

Scottishskifun · 24/11/2022 18:09

@Honeysuckle16 The Scottish govt balances the books??? Seriously where have you been?!
There is a 2 billion pound decificit this financial year alone due to the Scottish govt over zealous approach to counting those eligible to pay the increase in income tax here. They took the powers so a reduction from grant.
The Scottish govt has admitted this. Not sure where you have been living if you think the Scottish govt balance the books I certainly don't call 2 billion per year small change!

UK -42.7 billion deficit forecasted for year 2022-2023.

However, deficits are normal fiscal practice.

Scottishskifun · 24/11/2022 21:42

ScotsLassie322 · 24/11/2022 21:30

UK -42.7 billion deficit forecasted for year 2022-2023.

However, deficits are normal fiscal practice.

Except the Scottish govt ignored the warning about the amount they could make from income tax due to the number of people actually working and ignored it. Subsequently they have had to make huge cuts.
They have used additional tax foe the last 3-4 years and already cocked it up by not being able to count and ignoring warnings about it saying g they were scaremongering!

Notplayingball · 24/11/2022 23:04

beachcitygirl · 24/11/2022 00:19

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No party is perfect but SNP are the best of a bad lot, tbh...I am benefitting from several of these mentioned. Latest one being Scottish Child Payment scheme....

TheBelmont · 25/11/2022 06:14

SirChenjins · 24/11/2022 20:09

60% is a good cut off I’d say - it removes any ambiguity. I’d also want to see a minimum of 60% in a majority of regions so that the whole of Scotland isn’t taken out of the union on the say so of Glasgow, for example.

The regional representation is important….if independence did happen…how long before Edinburgh or Dumfries and Galloway start their own independence campaigns for independence from an independent Scotland.

It would just cause more and more division.

TheBelmont · 25/11/2022 06:34

Notplayingball · 24/11/2022 23:04

No party is perfect but SNP are the best of a bad lot, tbh...I am benefitting from several of these mentioned. Latest one being Scottish Child Payment scheme....

Well as long as you are personally benefitting from all the freebies, let’s not worry about how 1. How those freebies are being paid for 2. How they will be paid for in an independent Scotland…hint….they won’t.

Notplayingball · 25/11/2022 07:32

TheBelmont · 25/11/2022 06:34

Well as long as you are personally benefitting from all the freebies, let’s not worry about how 1. How those freebies are being paid for 2. How they will be paid for in an independent Scotland…hint….they won’t.

Being governed by Tories certainly is not doing the country any good either though is it. That is why we have all these benefits here in Scotland, to

Notplayingball · 25/11/2022 07:33

Help those who are on lower incomes.

Just because you don't personally benefit from Scottish Child Payment schemes or equivalent, doesn't mean others shouldn't.

MichelleScarn · 25/11/2022 07:36

Notplayingball · 25/11/2022 07:32

Being governed by Tories certainly is not doing the country any good either though is it. That is why we have all these benefits here in Scotland, to

'We' have some of the benefits I'm Scotland because some of us are being humped in taxes to pay for them, they're not coming from a benevolent SNPs own coffers.

Scarfymcscarface · 25/11/2022 07:53

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Notplayingball · 25/11/2022 07:54

MichelleScarn · 25/11/2022 07:36

'We' have some of the benefits I'm Scotland because some of us are being humped in taxes to pay for them, they're not coming from a benevolent SNPs own coffers.

There's no need to be resentful about helping those on lower incomes.

TheBelmont · 25/11/2022 07:57

Notplayingball · 25/11/2022 07:33

Help those who are on lower incomes.

Just because you don't personally benefit from Scottish Child Payment schemes or equivalent, doesn't mean others shouldn't.

Actually yes I do “benefit” from some of those…my point is, I won’t be benefitting from them in an independent Scotland because the government won’t be able to afford to fund them. I’d rather not have some of the gimmicks and freebies which are just transparent attempts at winning votes and making our population lazy and dependent on the state. Baby box? No thanks….massive waste of money for the vast majority. Universal free prescriptions? I’ll pay 50p for a packet of paracetamol rather than have the government pay some extortionate amount via the NHS for the exact same product. Free bus travel for the majority? Means kids are now taking buses to school now rather than walk the half a mile to their schools as they did in the past.
We are sleepwalking into a disaster and being enticed in by SNPs sweeties.

Workerbeep · 25/11/2022 09:06

there is an argument and evidence that all these handouts and freebies create further division and resentment.

unlike in ‘loved by SNP ‘ Scandinavia we are not all in this together. Taxation rates are high for all there, even those on low incomes but the benefits and freebies are for all. This is in stark contrast to Scotland.
you wonder why you can’t get a gp appointment? Part of that is GP don’t want/need to work more so that they have to pay more tax.

I do not think Scotland as a collective society is at all like the countries across our North Sea. I mean look, the economist Adam smith often proclaimed the father of capitalism was Scottish. wasn’t he voted the no 1 Scot a few years ago?

Jaffacakeorisitabiscuit · 25/11/2022 09:21

Workerbeep, think you're right. It's all very well aiming for a Scandi style socialist utopia but never mentioning the likely tax rates you'll have to impose to get it is a bit crafty. I can just imagine..... 'A bottle of whisky is HOW MUCH?'

Workerbeep · 25/11/2022 09:30

Speaking of alcohol. The minimum alcohol pricing we have in Scotland is in many ways shameful.
Not a tax but goes back into the hands of the drinks companies to keep them sweet.
most prices went up…apart from buckfast which fell.
It’s not made any real difference to our consumption or drinking culture either.

TrixJax · 25/11/2022 09:49

Free bus travel for the majority? Means kids are now taking buses to school now rather than walk the half a mile to their schools as they did in the past.

This^
I know its a green initiative so kids are used to using public transport and not just automatically looking to start driving and get a car but there's a massive downside to it. It's going to add to obesity and health problems as we're teaching youngsters to jump on a bus rather than walking. Round me there's loads of high school kids at the bus stops instead of walking the 20mins to and from school every day as generations before have done for years. And they get the bus to the shops at lunchtime instead of walking!

Honeysuckle16 · 25/11/2022 10:50

Scarfymcscarface, when people run out of facts and reasoning, and are losing the argument, they invariably resort to making personal attacks, just as you are doing. There is no way of having a an intelligent and civilised debate with those such as you. I wish you good luck.

Workerbeep · 25/11/2022 10:57

@TrixJax I agree

and call me synical but it’s another way to influence societal trends, control and make people dependent on the state.

Learning to drive is a life skill which opens up so many opportunities for you, gives you self-reliance, self confidence, independence, accountability and safety.
this is especially true for women; remember those countries who exercise strict controls on women’s lives banning them from driving?

I hate travelling on public transport for many reasons, after really awful harassment when I was a student, to overcrowding on a train pre covid where we were packed in like sardines from Edinburgh and people were so angry and to the one every fortnight buses round me being dominated by alcoholics and drug users (and this is during the day).

I took on the financial cost (yes it’s expensive) and encouraged my daughters to learn at 17. This has opened up choices of where they live, who they work for, where they shop and what they chose to do in their leisure time.

yes learning to drive is hard but anything worth doing is.

Notplayingball · 25/11/2022 10:57

TrixJax · 25/11/2022 09:49

Free bus travel for the majority? Means kids are now taking buses to school now rather than walk the half a mile to their schools as they did in the past.

This^
I know its a green initiative so kids are used to using public transport and not just automatically looking to start driving and get a car but there's a massive downside to it. It's going to add to obesity and health problems as we're teaching youngsters to jump on a bus rather than walking. Round me there's loads of high school kids at the bus stops instead of walking the 20mins to and from school every day as generations before have done for years. And they get the bus to the shops at lunchtime instead of walking!

Rubbish. My eldest walks two miles to school, then two miles home at the end of the day. He uses the free bus pass to get to extra curricular activities at weekends and to meet with friends outwith the local area. He is very thin.

Not all children will become obese because of a free bus pass!

TheBelmont · 25/11/2022 11:03

Notplayingball · 25/11/2022 10:57

Rubbish. My eldest walks two miles to school, then two miles home at the end of the day. He uses the free bus pass to get to extra curricular activities at weekends and to meet with friends outwith the local area. He is very thin.

Not all children will become obese because of a free bus pass!

Rubbish? Because in your sample of 1, your eldest walks to school instead of getting the bus? Well of course it must be rubbish then because all the kids in Scotland must be exactly like your eldest.

daisymoo2 · 25/11/2022 11:07

@Honeysuckle16 what do you think of the supermajority point? As a successful business woman I assume you want to make Indy an economic success. I think it needs a supermajority for that to be the case. A trade border with England would be an enormous challenge for most businesses I work with. I think you’re in the minority amongst the business community.

TrixJax · 25/11/2022 12:15

@Notplayingball I never said all children would become obese due to the free bus pass. I said it would add to obesity issues. Unfortunately for some teenagers (often girls) walking to and from school is the only regular exercise they do. It's great your DS walks to school and has after school activities he goes to but that's not the case for everyone.

I'm not talking rubbish that the bus stops round me now have school kids queuing at them to take them to/from school or back from the shop at lunchtime. I've lived here for nearly 20 years and only ever saw this before in heavy rain, but sadly not now. I wonder what the difference is now?

I'm not against the free bus pass at all but think if it was targeted at older teens, early 20s then that's the group we would keep from car ownership straight away. And 12 year olds starting high school would get into habit of walking every day with their friends if they didn't get bus pass until say age 16.

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