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Tell me this is not real please. Scotland's first period dignity officer is a man. A MAN.

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Rainbowshit · 15/08/2022 21:37

I just can't put into words how furious this makes me. Females are having the pis absolutely ripped out of them in Scotland.

What the fuck would a male understand about the indignity of realising you'd leaked through onto your clothes.

About the cold fear when your period is late.

About trying to unwrap a tampon quietly. Etc etc.

I suppose the only saving grace is at least they are not claiming to be a woman.

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/3593497/dundee-man-leading-period-poverty-fight-how-to-get-free-products/

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PeriodBro · 17/08/2022 17:41

Dudes. I AM a role model.

Purely by all the managing I am doing. But not leading. And definitely not talking to anyone. Other than the papers. And the girl in the photie.

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 17:43

Whatwouldscullydo · 17/08/2022 17:31

And girls are the one on the receiving end if it. They shouldn't lose the opportunity to talk to someone who might actually understand them because boys akd men can't behave. Theres nothing stopping said men akd boys setting up their own.stuff. but clearly they need to be paid and recognised for it 🙄

As opposed to all the women who do it for free that don't so much as get a mention on the local rag let alone the bbc

Girls/women aren’t going to lose any opportunities to speak to anyone about their periods. Mostly because his role doesn’t entail actually talking to women/girls about their periods. His job is more like being an office manager in a surgery than like that of a nurse or GP in a surgery.

I guarantee all the women on the Period Working Group are paid more than this role. And that all the women on the Period Project Team are also paid, and not working for free.

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 17:44

Whatwouldscullydo · 17/08/2022 17:31

And girls are the one on the receiving end if it. They shouldn't lose the opportunity to talk to someone who might actually understand them because boys akd men can't behave. Theres nothing stopping said men akd boys setting up their own.stuff. but clearly they need to be paid and recognised for it 🙄

As opposed to all the women who do it for free that don't so much as get a mention on the local rag let alone the bbc

No one is debating that or that girls should have to talk to men.

This was specifically about whether there is a benefit in men being a role model for boys.

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 17:52

@NeverDropYourMooncup
No amount of 'Let's be understanding of the uterus havers when they become menstruators, mm-kay? Here's our latest snazzy poster' from the council Period Bro is going to change that. The boys who are decent people will be decent, as many are, the ones who are immature twats will still be immature twats, just with extra ways to do it. The decent ones don't talk about it because they know it's not their place, they just help when they know they are needed (ie, finding supplies if a friend's been caught out, telling the arseholes to fuck off, that kind of thing).

This is quite depressing really because you’re saying that any period education is totally wasted on boys. That a 12yr old is already locked into being either decent or a twat. This is quite odd really as most experts agree that early education on consent in relationships reduces sexual assault rates. So it stands to logic, that early education on dignity in periods would also lead to less bullying.

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 18:02

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2022 17:23

Oh so this whole project isn't about girls getting access to period products. It is about educating males about periods?

So why do they have to engage with people who menstruate? Is it to tell them how great they are because they are now educating boys?

Great use of funds there.

No, I’m saying part of the project needs to include men. There is a role for them.

They aren’t engaging with girls/women who menstruate you are repeatedly misquoting a duty from the job description:

“Provide support to the project team in identifying, developing and facilitating events and activities that engage our communities and young people, creating opportunities for learning, networking, and accessing free products, (with a particular focus on identifying barriers to access and reducing the stigma around menstruation and period products.”

Its the events and activities that engage. And his role is to support the project team in identifying, developing and facilitating these events and activities.

Rather like a travel agent provides support to you in identifying, developing and facilitating your summer holiday event and activities. Which engages you and your DC creating opportunities for fun and games (with a particular focus on identifying barriers to access ie visa and country entry requirements and reducing the stigma around contributing to climate change).

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2022 18:02

Waa waa waa what about men/boys [again].

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2022 18:03

Rather like a travel agent provides support to you in identifying, developing and facilitating your summer holiday event and activities. Which engages you and your DC creating opportunities for fun and games (with a particular focus on identifying barriers to access ie visa and country entry requirements and reducing the stigma around contributing to climate change).

I'd expect a TRAVEL AGENT to be experienced in travel arranging though, not to just be a personal trainer and wander in off the streets and start arranging people's holidays.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/08/2022 18:09

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 17:52

@NeverDropYourMooncup
No amount of 'Let's be understanding of the uterus havers when they become menstruators, mm-kay? Here's our latest snazzy poster' from the council Period Bro is going to change that. The boys who are decent people will be decent, as many are, the ones who are immature twats will still be immature twats, just with extra ways to do it. The decent ones don't talk about it because they know it's not their place, they just help when they know they are needed (ie, finding supplies if a friend's been caught out, telling the arseholes to fuck off, that kind of thing).

This is quite depressing really because you’re saying that any period education is totally wasted on boys. That a 12yr old is already locked into being either decent or a twat. This is quite odd really as most experts agree that early education on consent in relationships reduces sexual assault rates. So it stands to logic, that early education on dignity in periods would also lead to less bullying.

I was thinking more of age 10-11 when it features in the NC and has done so since the early 1980s. We've had 40 years of educating them almost as soon as they reach the age of criminal responsibility and they really, really don't change as a group - some are decent, some aren't. Some understand consent and wouldn't dream of doing otherwise, some understand and think it's safer to obey the law/won't push it, some understand and don't give a flying pig about it and use whatever new information or technology is available to find novel and exciting ways of abusing others.

Logic and the adolescent mind don't really go hand in hand.

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 18:11

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2022 18:03

Rather like a travel agent provides support to you in identifying, developing and facilitating your summer holiday event and activities. Which engages you and your DC creating opportunities for fun and games (with a particular focus on identifying barriers to access ie visa and country entry requirements and reducing the stigma around contributing to climate change).

I'd expect a TRAVEL AGENT to be experienced in travel arranging though, not to just be a personal trainer and wander in off the streets and start arranging people's holidays.

Yes I agree the issue with this specific recruitment is whether he actually has the project management expertise ( a realistic level based on the relative low salary).

The issue is that they did not seem to have advertised properly for the role and how he got the job, rather than with his sex.

Queenoftheflumps02 · 17/08/2022 18:11

@Discovereads

"Girls/women aren’t going to lose any opportunities to speak to anyone about their periods. Mostly because his role doesn’t entail actually talking to women/girls about their periods. His job is more like being an office manager in a surgery than like that of a nurse or GP in a surgery."

You are completely ignoring what Jason himself has said of his role. He certainly does not see the role as that of an "office "manager". He is quoted widely in the media and in the Grainger press release as saying,

"'I think being a man will help me to break down barriers, reduce stigma and encourage more open discussions. Although affecting women directly, periods are an issue for everyone."

If you believe an " office manager" would do the above, then we obviously had vastly differing views of the role of an office manager. I wonder how Jason is going to "break down barriers" and "reduce stigma" without engaging with people, and as women/girls are the very people affected by "barriers" and "stigma", I assume he will have engage with them to be effective.

PeriodBro · 17/08/2022 18:36

Dudes, I am a role model! I'm breaking down barriers! I'm engaging!

And doin it all without leaving the back office.

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2022 19:15

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 18:11

Yes I agree the issue with this specific recruitment is whether he actually has the project management expertise ( a realistic level based on the relative low salary).

The issue is that they did not seem to have advertised properly for the role and how he got the job, rather than with his sex.

As well as, not rather than.

It seems to have been an orchestrated shoe in.

gregaliara · 17/08/2022 19:18

Who is the leader in the parliament ANSWER Someone you voted for who HATES WOMEN .

Teach12 · 17/08/2022 19:27

gregaliara · 17/08/2022 19:18

Who is the leader in the parliament ANSWER Someone you voted for who HATES WOMEN .

You realise the SG had no say in him being appointed. I don't think it was the right decision but the first minister nor the SG were involved in his appointment to the role.

Catsolitude · 17/08/2022 19:38

Maybe the SG didn’t but as reported in AIBU it’s very fishy.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4613120-to-think-its-odd-that-our-first-period-dignity-officer-is-a-man?page=6

Disbeliefisnotanargument · 17/08/2022 19:50

IrisVersicolor · 17/08/2022 09:29

I didn’t say the legal definition excludes white people, I said it doesn’t mention them specifically as your post implied.

If you look more closely at your own link it refers to reports not prosecutions and the vast majority of all reports were not even recorded as a crime let alone prosecuted.

As I said, white people can experience prejudice, xenophobia, discrimination, harassment, victimisation. But they also experience white privilege. Racial prejudice and racism are not the same thing: racism has an institutional, structural aspect and a systemic relationship to power.

Random insults of white people, while they may be personally hurtful and unpleasant, do not have the power or authority to affect the white person's social, political or economic location and privileges, and they should not be confused with the systematic and institutionalised mistreatment experienced by poc.

@IrisVersicolor in fairness, what you seem to be describing here is systemic or institutional racism, rather than simple racism. These types of racism are the reason why racism against white people is generally, currently less of a society wide concern. However, discrimination against someone based on their perceived race and the colour of their skin is still racism, and ignoring that fact risks 1) confusing people by muddying the distinction between systemic/institutional racism and individual level racism- which makes it harder to tackle either,
and 2) risks undermining the efforts of anti-racist movements by seeming to selectively apply standards, which seems wrong, instead of simply prioritising systemic racism, which is more justifiable.
Saying racism against people of a particular race doesn’t count as racism, rather than just being lower priority for addressing at the societal level, just feels racist to everyone except the people already persuaded of the importance of prioritising racial groups in a power minority.

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 22:10

Queenoftheflumps02 · 17/08/2022 18:11

@Discovereads

"Girls/women aren’t going to lose any opportunities to speak to anyone about their periods. Mostly because his role doesn’t entail actually talking to women/girls about their periods. His job is more like being an office manager in a surgery than like that of a nurse or GP in a surgery."

You are completely ignoring what Jason himself has said of his role. He certainly does not see the role as that of an "office "manager". He is quoted widely in the media and in the Grainger press release as saying,

"'I think being a man will help me to break down barriers, reduce stigma and encourage more open discussions. Although affecting women directly, periods are an issue for everyone."

If you believe an " office manager" would do the above, then we obviously had vastly differing views of the role of an office manager. I wonder how Jason is going to "break down barriers" and "reduce stigma" without engaging with people, and as women/girls are the very people affected by "barriers" and "stigma", I assume he will have engage with them to be effective.

I didn’t say his role was that of an office manager 🙄 I was drawing a comparison in terms of how much contact he’d have with the service users. The office manager in a GP surgery isn’t talking with patients about their medical issues. Just like how he as project manager won’t be talking with women/girls about their periods.

I wonder how Jason is going to "break down barriers" and "reduce stigma" without engaging with people, and as women/girls are the very people affected by "barriers" and "stigma", I assume he will have engage with them to be effective.

Wonder no more! Because how he is going to do this is conveniently in his job description and has been posted at least a dozen times. But maybe 13th time lucky?

Provide support to the project team in identifying, developing and facilitating events and activities that engage our communities and young people, creating opportunities for learning, networking, and accessing free products, (with a particular focus on identifying barriers to access and reducing the stigma around menstruation and period products.”

By providing support to the project team…that’s how he’s going to do it. It’s a team effort.

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 22:13

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/08/2022 18:09

I was thinking more of age 10-11 when it features in the NC and has done so since the early 1980s. We've had 40 years of educating them almost as soon as they reach the age of criminal responsibility and they really, really don't change as a group - some are decent, some aren't. Some understand consent and wouldn't dream of doing otherwise, some understand and think it's safer to obey the law/won't push it, some understand and don't give a flying pig about it and use whatever new information or technology is available to find novel and exciting ways of abusing others.

Logic and the adolescent mind don't really go hand in hand.

So is the student to blame or the teacher? Because it seems like you are saying that boys “really, really don’t change as a group”. One would think that of 40yrs of teaching the same stuff isn’t working, perhaps the fault lies with the curriculum? Curriculum which didn’t really even discuss consent until 5yrs ago?

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 22:14

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2022 18:03

Rather like a travel agent provides support to you in identifying, developing and facilitating your summer holiday event and activities. Which engages you and your DC creating opportunities for fun and games (with a particular focus on identifying barriers to access ie visa and country entry requirements and reducing the stigma around contributing to climate change).

I'd expect a TRAVEL AGENT to be experienced in travel arranging though, not to just be a personal trainer and wander in off the streets and start arranging people's holidays.

Really, bags and bags of experience even at entry level? Because that’s what the salary and job title suggest this is, an entry level PM job.

IrisVersicolor · 17/08/2022 22:30

@Disbeliefisnotanargument There is no ‘simple’ vs systemic/institutional racism - all racism has a systemic/institutional aspect, that’s the point.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/08/2022 22:32

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 22:13

So is the student to blame or the teacher? Because it seems like you are saying that boys “really, really don’t change as a group”. One would think that of 40yrs of teaching the same stuff isn’t working, perhaps the fault lies with the curriculum? Curriculum which didn’t really even discuss consent until 5yrs ago?

Not assaulting girls and not letting others grab your bits is a different subject to what periods are.

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 22:45

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/08/2022 22:32

Not assaulting girls and not letting others grab your bits is a different subject to what periods are.

Yes, its rather the point of youth education to cover several subjects.

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 22:49

IrisVersicolor · 17/08/2022 22:30

@Disbeliefisnotanargument There is no ‘simple’ vs systemic/institutional racism - all racism has a systemic/institutional aspect, that’s the point.

@IrisVersicolor institutional racism is not the same thing as systemic racism. And no, all racism doesn’t have both institutional and systemic aspects to them.

I am beginning to think you haven’t read very deeply on racism based on using these terms interchangeably as well as using racial prejudice and racism in a way that was out of context with their meanings. 🤔

IrisVersicolor · 17/08/2022 23:43

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 22:49

@IrisVersicolor institutional racism is not the same thing as systemic racism. And no, all racism doesn’t have both institutional and systemic aspects to them.

I am beginning to think you haven’t read very deeply on racism based on using these terms interchangeably as well as using racial prejudice and racism in a way that was out of context with their meanings. 🤔

Systemic racism manifests in institutional and structural racism.

Racism on an individual level always has systemic racism behind it because individual racism does not exist vacuum. It emerges from a society's foundational beliefs which manifest in systems, institutions and organisations.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 18/08/2022 00:16

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 22:45

Yes, its rather the point of youth education to cover several subjects.

He's only employed for the stuff about periods, though - unless he's secretly also responsible for their sex and relationships education, identifying coercive control and maybe a bit 8f financial and careers education on the side?

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