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Tell me this is not real please. Scotland's first period dignity officer is a man. A MAN.

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Rainbowshit · 15/08/2022 21:37

I just can't put into words how furious this makes me. Females are having the pis absolutely ripped out of them in Scotland.

What the fuck would a male understand about the indignity of realising you'd leaked through onto your clothes.

About the cold fear when your period is late.

About trying to unwrap a tampon quietly. Etc etc.

I suppose the only saving grace is at least they are not claiming to be a woman.

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/3593497/dundee-man-leading-period-poverty-fight-how-to-get-free-products/

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AlisonDonut · 17/08/2022 15:20

saltedcaramel1 · 17/08/2022 13:10

Because girls/women will benefit if boys & men develop a better attitude to and understanding of menstuation. They're more likely to do this if they have a male role model.

To to be clear, the priority needs to be supporting girls/women & putting them at the forefront of the period dignity project. But I can see why it would be beneficial to have men involved for this reason.

How do boys understanding periods give girls more access to products? Are they expecting boys to give them their pocket money or something? What is the actual link through from one to the other? If this is about changing boys attitudes why is it not actually called that?

saltedcaramel1 · 17/08/2022 15:28

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2022 15:20

How do boys understanding periods give girls more access to products? Are they expecting boys to give them their pocket money or something? What is the actual link through from one to the other? If this is about changing boys attitudes why is it not actually called that?

It's the Period Dignity Partnership.

This includes ensuring compliance with the Period Products (Free Provision) Scotland Act, along with other aims about reducing stigma and discrimination.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/08/2022 15:53

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2022 15:20

How do boys understanding periods give girls more access to products? Are they expecting boys to give them their pocket money or something? What is the actual link through from one to the other? If this is about changing boys attitudes why is it not actually called that?

It'll give those boys so many more opportunities to humiliate girls (and those who don't identify as girls but biology has a habit of not caring about identities).

Oh, look, she's too poor for tampax!

Do you use washable pads because you're poor?

She's such a tramp, she keeps dirty towels in her bag.

Look! they're stained! Ugh! She doesn't even know how to wash them! She's too poor for soap!

Bet she uses an old sock because she's too poor.

Oh, look, she's going to get the poor people's pads! Doesn't your Mum love you enough to buy them for you?

I saw you coming out the chemist. Were you there because you've got your period and you're too poor to buy your own?

Boys already learn enough about periods to make girl's lives miserable at school if they want to. Even when taught about them separate to the girls and by male staff/visiting educators. And teachers already know the potential for disaster in attempting to teach mixed classes for this section of PSHEE. That's why they don't do it.

No amount of 'Let's be understanding of the uterus havers when they become menstruators, mm-kay? Here's our latest snazzy poster' from the council Period Bro is going to change that. The boys who are decent people will be decent, as many are, the ones who are immature twats will still be immature twats, just with extra ways to do it. The decent ones don't talk about it because they know it's not their place, they just help when they know they are needed (ie, finding supplies if a friend's been caught out, telling the arseholes to fuck off, that kind of thing).

PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 17/08/2022 15:57

Period Bro

Grin
AlisonDonut · 17/08/2022 16:13

saltedcaramel1 · 17/08/2022 15:28

It's the Period Dignity Partnership.

This includes ensuring compliance with the Period Products (Free Provision) Scotland Act, along with other aims about reducing stigma and discrimination.

How does giving boys role models reduce stigma and discrimination?

How does hiring a bloke in this role reduce stigma and discrimination?

PeriodBro · 17/08/2022 16:32

Yo, I am cool with talking about periods. That reduces stigma because I am totally fine with it. You can say anything, I don't care. I don't find it embarrassing at all.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 17/08/2022 16:40

PeriodBro · 17/08/2022 16:32

Yo, I am cool with talking about periods. That reduces stigma because I am totally fine with it. You can say anything, I don't care. I don't find it embarrassing at all.

(thinks back to the ill fated experiment in mixed PSHEE lessons for Year 9)

Sir! Sir! I've got a question.

Do you like fucking girls when they're on their period?

(interruption from somebody else in 9C)

'Don't be stupid, he'll give her anal, won't he? Don't you, Sir? You like anal?'

PeriodBro · 17/08/2022 16:43

Okay, so I am going to revise my position slightly, here.

I've actually got lots of filing to do, I hadn't realised.

Oh, and annual leave to take, look at that. And you know, Project Management Stuff.

Laters, dude!

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 16:56

PeriodBro · 17/08/2022 16:32

Yo, I am cool with talking about periods. That reduces stigma because I am totally fine with it. You can say anything, I don't care. I don't find it embarrassing at all.

I fear you don't want to engage but...

No one is saying a man can be a helpful role model to girls and women regarding periods. It's patronising and offensive to suggest it.

However, men actively combating sexism and period-related discrimination isn't a bad thing, and boys seeing this happen is benefical. Normalising sick leave for things like endo, cramps, vulvodynia etc is one aspect I could personally see being really positive.

I feel this conversation has become so black and white that no one wants to concede that allowing men to be involved in some aspects could be beneficial.

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 17:01

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2022 16:13

How does giving boys role models reduce stigma and discrimination?

How does hiring a bloke in this role reduce stigma and discrimination?

Think about it. Who creates the stigma and does the discrimination against girls/women for their periods? Who is literally the source of and perpetuates period stigma and discrimination in our society? It’s not girls and women. It’s boys/men.

So I’d say a man probably knows more about how to make other boys/men get their shit together and stop stigmatising and discriminating against women and girls for having periods is a good thing.

We’ve said for ages, why is it on women to change the behaviour of men? When are men going to step up and sort themselves out? This could be a small step in that direction of men who are allies stepping up to support us in such a way.

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 17:01

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2022 16:13

How does giving boys role models reduce stigma and discrimination?

How does hiring a bloke in this role reduce stigma and discrimination?

Well just in the way male role models speaking out against rape culture has actually been beneficial.

Hammering home the idea that men need to call out rape "jokes", comments about sexual activity with someone intoxicated etc to their male friends. This has had real benefits in university settings.

Teens seeing a man take women's health issues seriously will in turn lead to them taking it more seriously.

Surely this isn't a crazy view to have?

Whatwouldscullydo · 17/08/2022 17:04

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 17:01

Well just in the way male role models speaking out against rape culture has actually been beneficial.

Hammering home the idea that men need to call out rape "jokes", comments about sexual activity with someone intoxicated etc to their male friends. This has had real benefits in university settings.

Teens seeing a man take women's health issues seriously will in turn lead to them taking it more seriously.

Surely this isn't a crazy view to have?

Taking a role that you are unqualified for and have zero experience of anything its about , is not a man being seen to take womens health issues seriously.

It's showing that even womens health is all about men. Why should we be grateful they have had some epiphany of something we have dealt with our whole lives

Its insulting

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 17:07

So you don't think male role models could have any benefits in reducing menstrual related discrimination @Whatwouldscullydo ?

KittenKong · 17/08/2022 17:08

If he was employed on a role whose task was speaking to boys.

Whatwouldscullydo · 17/08/2022 17:11

Hes not a role model ffs. How low is your bar fir a role model.

There are umpteen groups /organisations run ny women who contribute and campaign to reduce period poverty and the stigma attached to menstruation, who have been doing it fir years at their own.expense on top of their other jobs on top of raising families etc. And doing ot for free in some cases.

But yeah let's put all eyes on this bloke who cant even do his job without talking to actual women and girls who have periods . Isn't he amazing 🙄

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 17:12

KittenKong · 17/08/2022 17:08

If he was employed on a role whose task was speaking to boys.

His role doesn't involve speaking to boys, or girls. Or women.

This is the sticking point.

Whatwouldscullydo · 17/08/2022 17:13

The job description states he will need ti engage with commuites and " young people who menstruat" aka girls.

Does engage have another meaning now?

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 17:13

Whatwouldscullydo · 17/08/2022 17:11

Hes not a role model ffs. How low is your bar fir a role model.

There are umpteen groups /organisations run ny women who contribute and campaign to reduce period poverty and the stigma attached to menstruation, who have been doing it fir years at their own.expense on top of their other jobs on top of raising families etc. And doing ot for free in some cases.

But yeah let's put all eyes on this bloke who cant even do his job without talking to actual women and girls who have periods . Isn't he amazing 🙄

I wasn't referring to Jason and have already posted my concerns on his recruitment.

The conversation moved to the idea that men have no place reducing menstrual related discrimination.

This is why I asked you: So you don't think male role models could have any benefits in reducing menstrual related discrimination @Whatwouldscullydo ?

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 17:15

Whatwouldscullydo · 17/08/2022 17:13

The job description states he will need ti engage with commuites and " young people who menstruat" aka girls.

Does engage have another meaning now?

It does actually. Here's the full spec for that point:

  1. Provide support to the project team in identifying, developing and facilitating events and activities that engage our communities and young people, creating opportunities for learning, networking, and accessing free products, (with a particular focus on identifying barriers to access and reducing the stigma around menstruation and period products.

"Engagement" doesn't mean directly chatting to someone.

Whatwouldscullydo · 17/08/2022 17:18

The fact a " male role model" is seen as a positive rather than being confirmation of the fact no one listens to anything about periods unless a man explains it and makes it all his idea is precisely why a woman should be In this job.

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 17:20

Whatwouldscullydo · 17/08/2022 17:04

Taking a role that you are unqualified for and have zero experience of anything its about , is not a man being seen to take womens health issues seriously.

It's showing that even womens health is all about men. Why should we be grateful they have had some epiphany of something we have dealt with our whole lives

Its insulting

Sorry, but he is qualified for this project management role and has relevant experience. The role isn’t wise woman on high who knows everything about periods. Do you really think you know better than the four women who hired him?

It's showing that even womens health is all about men
No it doesn’t. It’s showing that womens health is also the responsibility of men.

AlisonDonut · 17/08/2022 17:23

Discovereads · 17/08/2022 17:01

Think about it. Who creates the stigma and does the discrimination against girls/women for their periods? Who is literally the source of and perpetuates period stigma and discrimination in our society? It’s not girls and women. It’s boys/men.

So I’d say a man probably knows more about how to make other boys/men get their shit together and stop stigmatising and discriminating against women and girls for having periods is a good thing.

We’ve said for ages, why is it on women to change the behaviour of men? When are men going to step up and sort themselves out? This could be a small step in that direction of men who are allies stepping up to support us in such a way.

Oh so this whole project isn't about girls getting access to period products. It is about educating males about periods?

So why do they have to engage with people who menstruate? Is it to tell them how great they are because they are now educating boys?

Great use of funds there.

1blossomtree · 17/08/2022 17:25

Whatwouldscullydo · 17/08/2022 17:18

The fact a " male role model" is seen as a positive rather than being confirmation of the fact no one listens to anything about periods unless a man explains it and makes it all his idea is precisely why a woman should be In this job.

Hmm you seem to be swerving the question somewhat.

We have a wealth of data demonstrating you're more likely to model behaviour when you see it in someone like you (i.e., same sex). Again I don't see how it's a bad thing for boys to grow up and see men tackling period related discrimination.

Men are the ones, predominantly, perpetuating this discrimination so having a generation of boys seeing that it is unacceptable..surely has benefits?

Tha · 17/08/2022 17:30

Do you really think you know better than the four women who hired him?

Yes.

Considering one of them has hired him 3 times now for 3 completely different roles, I don't necessarily think he's hired because of WHAT he knows but rather WHO he knows.

Whatwouldscullydo · 17/08/2022 17:31

And girls are the one on the receiving end if it. They shouldn't lose the opportunity to talk to someone who might actually understand them because boys akd men can't behave. Theres nothing stopping said men akd boys setting up their own.stuff. but clearly they need to be paid and recognised for it 🙄

As opposed to all the women who do it for free that don't so much as get a mention on the local rag let alone the bbc

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