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WouldBeGood · 22/02/2022 16:52

Rail away!

No judgment, no resilience wankery.

Equal opportunity railing 😃

Could this be the last thread..?!

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RaraRachael · 07/03/2022 19:34

What do they mean by do you read, speak, write or understand "Scots". What's Scots - lowland Scots, Doric? There is quite a difference obviously not to the SG. What a heap of shite. No idea what relevance this information is to anyone.

Dinoteeth · 07/03/2022 19:53

Read Scots if that means read the Gruffalo in Scots yes, do it understand it, well need to check the word list.
And really who cares about Scots?

Dinoteeth · 07/03/2022 19:54

I care less about Scots than I do about Gaelic,

ResilienceWanker · 07/03/2022 20:41

Yy about the Scots question. I'm suspicious, I have to say! I wouldn't go as far as saying it's just English with a few dialect/ local words, said in a vaguely Scottish accent - it is, as rara says, very diverse - but there are some versions of it that aren't far off!

I'm not scottish and haven't had any training/ lessons or anything - just picked up the odd bit of vocab here and there, and got a bit more used to various accents. But I would genuinely say I can read and write it ( I DS had to write poems and stuff in scots during homeschool Grin) Understanding is a bit hit and miss... I'd understand someone reading the gruffalo, or a "gentle" speaker, but not an actual Scottish person talking unprepared Scots. Just like I understand basic French spoken slowly, but not with a huge, esoteric vocabulary talking at nine to the dozen. And I don't speak it other than reading out stuff badly. So I wouldn't usually claim to have any expertise in it - any more than I would claim to speak/read/ understand Geordie by adding in the odd, why-aye man to my chatter.

I just think that if they can get a large proportion of the population claiming knowledge of it, they'll spend more time on it in school, do more adverts in it and so on, and I'm not contributing to that!!

Gaelic is different, obviously. That's a definite and distinct language, spoken as a first language by some and really not closely related to English at all. Much though I'm Hmm at the gaelic roadsigns in the central belt and all, I can understand it is worth preserving and promoting where there are communities where it is culturally important, and even outside those communities, there is nothing wrong with learning it as a language, with all the benefits that brings. Much like BSL, I suppose - I don't object at all to that being recorded and promoted. Scots just seems different to me, though...

Dinoteeth · 07/03/2022 20:50

Would you know what a Hoolet was?

Dinoteeth · 07/03/2022 21:00

Give you a clue, learned it from the Scots Gruffalo 😁

RaraRachael · 07/03/2022 21:07

The problem is that "Scots" doesn't really exist as a single entity. I've never heard of a hoolet but it obviously exists in some form of Scots. I'm midway between coastal and country so within a 3 mile radius there are different words for the same things.

Yet another daft SG notion. How many more will there be. Is there some minister whose sole job is to think up the next daft idea? Then when it comes to nothing, has to think up another one. Grin

ResilienceWanker · 07/03/2022 21:08

It's a baby owl 🦉I think - like an owlet. Or maybe a grown up owl too Grin. Howlet is a Yorkshire word for an owl (maybe other northern England too), so it doesn't sound too weird for me (I'm not Yorkshire either but my mums side of the family are Professionally Northern).

Dinoteeth · 07/03/2022 21:28

It's an owl, I'd heard the word because of a nearby street name I'd no clue what ot meant. And it makes little difference to my life knowing or not knowing

WouldBeGood · 07/03/2022 21:35

I might answer my census in “Scots” 🤣

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WouldBeGood · 07/03/2022 21:37

Couthy af

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Haudyourwheesht · 07/03/2022 21:47

Myself and the DC had three routine check ups since the pandemic began. DH, on the other hand, tried to make an appointment at the end of last summer. His appointment is in May.

mibbelucieachwell · 08/03/2022 10:31

IME people want to claim their words as belonging to their part of Scotland, whereas they often crop up in many different areas of Scotland or the north of England.
I also think it's not that common for people to actually speak exclusively Scots, Orcadian, Doric, whatever as a first language. Sure, lots of people use lots of dialect words or local grammar but not exclusively. Many words have no Scots/Shetlandic/Doric/whatever equivalent.

Ma weans love takin photies o' squirrels.

Fit like? Whit like? Doric. Orcadian. One letter different.

Bairns/berns The latter is the orcadian pronounciation of the former (East Scotland) word?

Hold/had/haud Phonetic spelling of the same word.

A'm ga'an doon the street/stricht for/fur an ice cream.

But sure, wha's like us?

mibbelucieachwell · 08/03/2022 10:33

@WouldBeGood So are you identifying as a ' cis wumman?' Grin

FoxyFoxyLoxy · 08/03/2022 10:54

Yet another daft SG notion. How many more will there be. Is there some minister whose sole job is to think up the next daft idea? Then when it comes to nothing, has to think up another one.

there's a whole DEPARTMENT of them. The Greens have one too. These departments in the last couple of months have come up with cutting 3 inches off the bottom of doors, and banning drive-thru McDonalds. Hmm

I have completed my census. Ignored the stupid trans questions and the sexuality ones. None of their business. The fact I've been married for 20 years and have 3 kids is a bit of a clue to my sexuality.

Dinoteeth · 08/03/2022 13:27

I attempted to fill in the census, why do they want to know where we work and what schools kids go to.

Seems they are collecting far more detail than they need

WouldBeGood · 08/03/2022 14:03

I was wondering if this level of detail is usual in a census? I just don’t know.

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WouldBeGood · 08/03/2022 14:04

And yes, @mibbelucieachwell 🤣 that’s me!

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patritus · 08/03/2022 14:21

@WouldBeGood

I was wondering if this level of detail is usual in a census? I just don’t know.
I have a vague recollection the questions about employer and kids schools were in last census. I remember wondering why they needed that level detail
TeenTraumaTrials · 08/03/2022 16:23

Today I am railing about how insulting it is to tell my dyslexic DD (and all the other pupils with dyslexia) to read the question properly and spell words correctly as study advice for Highers - I feel like writing to SQA to ask them about whether they gave any thought at all to how that makes pupils with dyslexia feel.

FoxyFoxyLoxy · 08/03/2022 16:44

Yup that was the advice to DD for her H Geography. Make sure you read the question. Hmm

OnceUponAWhine · 08/03/2022 17:38

Nicola Sturgeon has offered a formal apology to people accused of witchcraft between the 16th and 18th centuries, many of whom were executed.

From today’s news.

Hmm
WouldBeGood · 08/03/2022 17:44

🤣🤣 gets more crazed by the day @OnceUponAWhine.

Rich coming from the Witchfinder General too!

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Haudyourwheesht · 08/03/2022 19:14

@OnceUponAWhine

Nicola Sturgeon has offered a formal apology to people accused of witchcraft between the 16th and 18th centuries, many of whom were executed.

From today’s news.

Hmm

Nice to see they're dealing with the matters in hand.
ResilienceWanker · 08/03/2022 19:43

@TeenTraumaTrials

Today I am railing about how insulting it is to tell my dyslexic DD (and all the other pupils with dyslexia) to read the question properly and spell words correctly as study advice for Highers - I feel like writing to SQA to ask them about whether they gave any thought at all to how that makes pupils with dyslexia feel.
Oh goodness... I saw that. How patronising can you get?! I thought the idea of that guidance was to say "the questions will focus on topics x and y, so you can miss out z" or "the questions will address these skills..so try a few past papers showing those." Not basic things that all teachers remind their classes of every year... Which, to be fair, often bear repeating, but it's not the kind of thing that will help students who've had 3 years of disrupted education due to covid - let alone students with additional needs and so on as you say. And it just looks a bit unkind and unhelpful, coming from the SQA, with knowledge of the actual papers and topics. Basically saying "well, this is the syllabus and the exam will be based on that.. just read the questions and answer them - that's our special helpful advice". Yeah, thanks then...