Guilt Free Railing 19

[WouldBeGood]

Rail away!

No judgment, no resilience wankery.

Equal opportunity railing 😃

Could this be the last thread..?!

I want to rail about damn delivery drivers. Why give an option to divert parcel to a neighbour when they don’t follow said instructions.

Currently have a parcel dumped at my front door, if the stuff inside gets wet it will be ruined. The weather is awful, rain going all directions. And I won’t get home until 7pm. 😡

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

Dr Chris Smith was on the radio this morning discussing lifting of restrictions, and I found it interesting that he was making much the same points as we do on here. He said that clinically vulnerable people had always been so and that they shouldn’t be unduly scared, rather they should use whatever strategies they did before COVID as their risks were now about equivalent. That led into a whole thing about how people have become unduly scared by the focus on the risks (ignoring the fact that risks have always been there) and that as a nation we really needed to get confidence back. Most interestingly he was saying that masks as we tend to use them don’t work to contain spread in any meaningful way and are largely a social sticking plaster to make people feel better, which will come as no surprise to anyone here. I did smile to myself when he was pointing to the different restrictions around the UK and the fact that outcomes were no different (and perhaps slightly worse in ‘certain areas’) as part of a larger point that there should be evidence behind restrictions.

I even see parallels now with how everyone is so dramatic about some windy weather. Stay safe etc. fucking hell what did we do before? People frightened to go out cause it's a bit windy 🤷🏻‍♀️

Best news ever that the mask wearing is no long going to be mandatory. Pity we have to wait till the 21st of March for it to happen. I will be going down the beach to have a ceremonial bonfire with mine.

Hoping that this includes schools as "indoor spaces" seeing as we seem to have been exempt from any other sensible rule changes

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My DS has just informed me that Aberdeenshire council are insisting on face masks in class in secondary schools until 21 March!!!!

I thought the kids would be away with them in class from next week.

Can anyone please confirm this.......?

This is a BIG rail if there is truth in this matter.

@Aurea

🤬 My DS has just informed me that Aberdeenshire council are insisting on face masks in class in secondary schools until 21 March!!!!

I thought the kids would be away with them in class from next week.

Can anyone please confirm this.......?

This is a BIG rail if there is truth in this matter.

That's awful. We're in Glasgow and not heard anything similar yet.

East Dunbartonshire - no masks in class from 28th February. Got a letter confirming this today.

@Aurea I don't have secondary but am in Aberdeenshire. I haven't seen anything on the local mums groups about it or anything on Aberdeenshire pages. It might be an individual school though or maybe it's being kept quiet it would come out pretty quickly on social media if so.

That's so unfair masks were meant to drop from classes next Friday and completely 3 weeks later.
If I was the parent I'd take that up with schools. I hate masks and even find myself removing it to talk to DS2, he mumbles and I find myself wanting to speak clearly to him.

Meanwhile, in classroom propaganda news, I see NHS Lothian have launched a video for 5-11year olds to answer their FAQs about the vaccine. The dentist has tweeted about it, encouraging folk to show it to their kids and classes.

Sigh.

@OnceUponAWhine

Meanwhile, in classroom propaganda news, I see NHS Lothian have launched a video for 5-11year olds to answer their FAQs about the vaccine. The dentist has tweeted about it, encouraging folk to show it to their kids and classes.

Sigh.

@OnceUponAWhine Yes, I saw that too. It does not sit well with me that level of public information broadcast.

I thought there wasn't supposed to be a campaign for 5-11 year olds due to it being non-urgent and basically an option for parents who want it --to make them feel better- rather than a strong 'recommendation'? A reflection of the marginal to non-existent benefits in this age group now that the vast majority have natural immunity now. Or maybe that was just England and Nicola has decided to be different and launch a campaign after all - certainly she was talking like it was assumed all children in that age group would get it when she talked of appointments being sent out to people.
Of course maybe I'm being unfair. Perhaps it explains in clear terms that there is little to no clinical benefit for this age group, most children don't need it due to having natural immunity, protection against infection will likely wear off in a matter of weeks and there is a (small) risk of severe side effects, but somehow I doubt it and suspect it's more like Devi's '100% safe' misinformation that put about for older age groups. Informed consent is a joke if that is the case, and I'm not at all comfortable if children/parents are going to be pressured into having this.

Having seen it I can confirm that it is indeed propaganda. Kids are getting a vaccine so that if they get COVID they won't get seriously ill eh? Most of them have already had COVID and didn't get seriously ill! Oh and apparently the worst that can happen is that they might have a sore arm and feel poorly, which might come as a surprise to those who suffered heart problems. There's no way parents can adequately assess the risks and benefits and make an informed decision if this is the kind of biased 'information' they'll be presented with. I really genuinely hope I'm wrong, but I think this mass roll out will do more harm than good and we'll look back when the dust settles and realise this was a knee-jerk mistake.

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us there's some slightly worrying data coming out from a German health insurer, seems that doctors might not rush to report side effects but they'll certainly bill them on. It's in Welt: www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/plus237106177/Coronavirus-Mehr-Impf-Nebenwirkungen-als-bisher-bekannt.html

We'll see how widely this gets reported on though.

I can't read that @Scianel, but there is already enough worrying data out there to put me off. Generally I think they reckon only about 10% of vaccine reactions are ever reported so I'm not surprised that numbers are underestimated in these systems. It's kind of weird but generally speaking people seem much more willing to chalk vaccine associated reactions to 'coincidence' than with other medicines, perhaps to avoid the antivaxxer label.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought France and Germany were only making it available to 5-11 year olds on a voluntary basis, so not a blanket campaign as Scotland seems to be doing. Or have they extended it now?

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us the 10% thing is about the gist of what the article is saying.

I'm not too certain what approach is being taken for these age groups in other countries but honestly I'm baffled at how Scotland is doing it. Surely the point of the vaccines is that they reduce risk of a poor outcome, which is where children find themselves anyway naturally, so to me it just appears to be all risk and no benefit for that age group seeing as it's not remotely sterilising?

Yeah I'm not vaccinating mine. I know we all have differing views on it and mostly have been respectful on this thread which I appreciate but it played havoc with my menstrual cycle (I do have other gynae issues) I won't risk it with them when actually having covid was more of a pain in the arse being stuck in with isolation that it was being unwell.

I know other on thread have had such a shite time when having covid so I'm not minimising it at all but for us it's just a hard no.

@IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021 I had a shite time with covid before vaccination but wouldn't be rushing to get DS vaccinated if he was in the age group as he was completely fine and asymptomatic with it!

It's parents choice my objection is more a moral one we shouldn't be vaccinating young children when large numbers of vulnerable people elsewhere still haven't had access to it

I feel the country is going to be even more divided than they are now over masks etc after the 21st.

My boss was all for well even if they provide a small bit of protection that’s better than none at all. He will probably continue wearing to save the grannies!

I reckon most grannies will not be wearing a mask from 21st.

I think people forget that apart from the very small proportion who have had covid bad/long covid that actually the restrictions and the effects of them have had more of a damaging impact mentally, physically, economically etc

And you can choose to continue wearing a mask etc so surely that’s win win for everyone

Oh and a wee question.

A relative works in a supermarket. She said she is half expecting the boss/head office to say they must continue to wear masks.

If this is the case can they enforce it at all? Or can the staff refuse.

Massive overstepping of scot gov to produce a video for 5-11 year olds to brain wash them. They have a very poor sense of state boundaries.

Feeling sad for Ukraine this morning, watching yet more people running for their lives.

Totally overstepping its up there with the named person scheme.

runningpink I'm genuinely not sure but I absolutely hate the trend for masking hospitality staff etc while customers sit unmasked, it's psychologically quite unpleasant and I really hope they don't to the same to supermarket workers. Obviously the workers should be welcome to wear one if it's their preference.

Yes, I really hope places don’t pander to the anxious with continued masking, etc. It is very off putting.

I think very quickly masks will drop by the public, and once 75% of the public are unmasked, bosses will no longer request them of staff.

From a business POV they'll be worried that the anxious shoppers will chose the masked supermarket rather than the unmasked one.
And the very anxious wouldn't enter a restaurant anyway, unless they really haven't thought the whole thing through.

Yy to disliking the whole "servers are masked while their masters aren't" vibe in hospitality. It seems very handmaid-y to me.

I haven't seen the 5-11 propaganda campaign but it makes me just hearing about it! I'm sure someone up here said that it would be left up to the families etc, if brought in. But, no, they have to poke, poke, poke until people give in... I mentioned it to DS walking home from school, and he indicated he didn't really want it "because I have antibodies of steel" so I'm tempted to just go with that (he had a headache for a couple of hours when he had it in the summer, and has avoided catching it as far as we know from his plage-pit-of-omicron class in Jan/ Feb). And being a thrawn cow, hearing this makes me less likely to try to persuade him otherwise! In any case, I thought the vaccine cut something like 10 years off your "risk age" in younger/ middle aged people (more like 20 in older people) so as he's 10, he'd be left with the risk of a newborn, which doesn't seem a better option (I'm all up for deliberately misinterpreting The Science when it suits me...)

It is odd though that people have such widely differing opinions on stuff like this, and the masks and so on. Some friends who have DS a similar age have been absolutely desperate to get him jagged and were considering travelling to their home country to get him "done". Like it was a no brainer. Which is fine if they feel like that, but I just can't see where they have got the idea that it is so critical and beneficial when we have the same "data" and, I thought, a generally similar mindset/ risk tolerance and so on. Who knows... maybe I'm being unwisely blasé!?

I think some places down south kept a "we would like you to wear masks in our store" stance when they were dropped. But as far as I know (from the hugely reliable and representative MN threads) hardly anyone followed it (apart from the horrified people posting, of course) , and they are hardly going to stop people coming in to their shop, wanting to buy stuff, in a perfectly legal way! Staff were given free choice from what I remember, but most didn't wear them (and who can blame them).

Even London Transport is dropping them this week, which is quite a big thing I think. If there is anywhere I feel I might feel slightly more comfortable in a mask it'd be a tube train at rush hour (but mainly because I always seem to end up with my face squashed at armpit level with some bloke, so it may give some olfactory protection...)