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WouldBeGood · 20/01/2022 11:45

Will it ever end?

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WouldBeGood · 20/02/2022 11:23

I’m not at any great risk from covid. I got my jags as part of a quid pro quo: the state told me to get them to protect others and to allow restrictions to be lifted. I feel that I’ve done my bit and no more. If we carry in like this there will always just be one more group to be jagged/mask to be worn and THEN we will be free.

Just needs to stop in my view. Anyone who wants to can carry on wearing a mask and testing. Boosters like flu jags: not effectively compulsory.

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patritus · 20/02/2022 11:26

I will be happy to get an annual booster for the winter.
Don't particularly want to have 3 jags every year but I'm basically willing to do what it takes to allow me to mix freely with friends and family (which I have done all this winter) without worrying about ending up in hospital with covid

WouldBeGood · 20/02/2022 11:30

I guess I’m more worried about travel restrictions/masks/isolations than I am about covid.

But same point essentially: to be able to do what’s normal.

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Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 20/02/2022 11:30

I'm not getting any more boosters personally on the basis of diminishing returns. Data shows that for healthy people under about 50 the booster gave no additional protection over two jags in terms of severe disease protection, and the protection against infection wears off so quickly it's barely worth it. Plus hybrid immunity is thought to be better against new variants (vaccine is already very far from currently circulating strains) so I don't think topping up with natural immunity is a bad thing, now that I have that vaccine base to take the edge off. If I was older I'd probably get annual boosters as with flu, but I'm not in that demographic.

mibbelucieachwell · 20/02/2022 15:56

I'm over 50 with what I suspect is long -something induced chronic fatigue . I had my booster in November and actually hoped to get a nice mild case of omicron in January or February when I had maximum protection from severe symptoms. But I've dodged it, so far. Now the restrictions are likely to be lifted after the best protection I've ever had is probably waning and will increase the chances of catching covid presumably. I think I'm broadly in favour of Doris' plan though. Even though his motivation is highly suspect needs to get the next round of covid legislation through without having to rely on the Labour Party.

My friend who's a GP, was sceptical about the need for boosters for under 50s.

I'd really like to know exactly how infectious people are while presymptomatic or asymptomatic. On the one hand presumably there will be virus particles in the aerosol as the immune system hasn't had time to neutralise the virus. On the other hand there won't be much in the way of infectious droplets if they aren't coughing or sneezing? Assuming most infectious people who are ill don't struggle in to work/school/whatever maybe Doris' plan won't have too much impact on the number of serious cases 🤞🤞🤞🤞

mibbelucieachwell · 20/02/2022 15:57

Posted too soon. I would definitely get a 4th booster if offered.

ResilienceWanker · 20/02/2022 17:29

On the booster thing, I heard a talk the other week from some scientists who were developing a "lft" style assay for covid antibodies - basically a blood test that could really quickly tell you your antibody levels. And they were working on a saliva test to do the same thing. That approach sounds more sensible to me... so testing antibody levels and giving a booster if they are below a certain level, rather than just giving it to everyone every year/ 6 months/ 3 months routinely. It makes sense that antibody levels don't decline at the same rate in everyone (and I know antibodies aren't the only immunity, but they are a decent back of the envelope measure of how quickly you will react to fight an infection) and some people may need topping up more frequently than others, which may depend on natural infection too. It may be that older/ vulnerable people need a booster more often, but they should probably just be given that as and when, rather than needing to wait for a "round" to be approved by JCVI... so a test at the GP every 3ish months, and then a jab afterwards if needed?

I don't think they will make stuff conditional on future boosters - in the UK at least. There seems to be enough evidence that they don't really do much to stop infection (especially of the newer variants), but they DO stop severe disease, so anyone vulnerable to that should take it to protect themselves. But, like with the flu jag, it shouldn't be made obligatory. Not sure how other countries will play it, and while I'd be annoyed if they retained the requirement for "vaccine within the past 6 months" or whatever, I suppose I'd just weigh that up along with other decisions as to where to go on holiday. I'm sure some countries will realise that their stance on it is putting off/ encouraging tourists and take that into account! That relies on being able to get boosters privately, though, I suppose, which I don't think we can do in the UK yet, so it's all moot really. If there's no universal 4th round, then no one boosted in December will be able to go to Europe in the summer if they have that rule!

I'm on the fence about ending free testing. I think it should still be available to those that want to test before going to see vulnerable relatives/ care homes etc. But I don't think we should be encouraged/ made to test before going into school or the shops or whatever as the messaging is in Scotland at the moment. And having it free and promoted gives organisations the "right" to insist on it when they probably shouldn't. Also, can you imagine the run on people stocking up on LFTs in the next few weeks if they announce they will be chargeable from x date?!

Sorry to hear of your long-something mibbe Flowers

Lockdownbear · 20/02/2022 18:09

I agree tests should still be available for those going to visit care homes, hospitals or people on immune suppressants.

AmadeustheAlpaca · 20/02/2022 18:25

I had covid over New Year and wasn't partciularly ill with it, the worst thing about it all was the isolating. Decided to finally have my booster last week with a view to making foreign holidays more accessible. I was pretty ill after it (Moderna, previous ones were Astrazeneca) and could barely get out of bed the next day due to flu like symptons and feeling generally horrible. Has taken a week to feel almost back to normal and it's so ironic that the booster made me feel considerably worse than the actual illness. A young fit healthy family member who has unwittingly been in close contact with covid sufferers but never caught it, felt very similar after her booster which she had for work related reasons. Ten days later she's still suffering booster related headaches. I'm not anti vax at all but it all seems like madness.
I don't have any great hopes for Ms Sturgeon's speech on Tuesday, think we will have mandated masks indoors in Scotland for some time to come. Hope I'm wrong.

UselessASD · 20/02/2022 18:27

Hope you don’t mind me coming to ask a question rather than start another thread.
We’re English planning a visit to Scotland in mid March. All adults and fully vaccinated, happy to mask. I’m concerned about whether there might be extra rules if Boris goes ahead and lifts all restrictions. I’m getting some LFT for myself in case of visiting vulnerable people because if there are no restrictions I fear BJ being an idiot will withdraw them. (We have no intention of travelling with Covid whatever the rules say)

I’ve just looked up rules for Scotland and it says restaurants etc gather data for tracing. What do they need? Will we need lft tests? Has SG/NS said anything about further restrictions when England stops?

TheUsualShitshow · 20/02/2022 18:29

Places don't ask for LFTs, no. They might ask you to give your details via QR code but don't check if you do or not.

UselessASD · 20/02/2022 18:41

Thanks @TheUsualShitshow. I got the England app for a bit and it drained my phone completely, I could get it again as will be in a car and can charge, but that’s me. Is that enough for one group as relatives don’t have it.

TheUsualShitshow · 20/02/2022 18:43

Yeah I'm pretty sure they usually just get one person to do it for the group. Tbh I imagine most people don't bother much any more.

ResilienceWanker · 20/02/2022 19:31

Yeah - some places are stricter at collecting data than others. The chain-y places seem the worst. You don't need the app though, just use your camera to scan the qr code, and it will pop up with a link to open up a website that you enter your details into which are definitely 100% accurate (at least, that's how it works on mine) . Not sure what they do with the data (esp if you forget to sign out again Blush) but it lets you drink your starbucks in peace... Or you can just say you don't have a suitable phone and give the data on a bit of paper... just one per party is fine if you add how many people are in your party.

Some theatres/ concerts etc make you show a vaccine pass and/or neg lft, but I think that is only a legal requirement for big events - nightclubs, sports matches etc, and then it's either/or... not both.

As others have said, we will almost certainly continue to have restrictions (sorry, protections) here, even if BJ drops them. At least things like masks, which don't "cost" the SG anything Angry. NS is giving an update on Tuesday, so I'm sure this thread will be significantly rail-y about them then for you to get an idea what they are Grin

WouldBeGood · 20/02/2022 19:46

Just wave your phone in the direction of the code in the unlikely event you’re asked @UselessASD. No one checks and no one actually does it.

It’s separate from our Scottish track and trace app which again no one has, so don’t bother with that.

I think proof of vaccination is still required for some venues like stadia?? But not sure.

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WouldBeGood · 20/02/2022 19:46

If she’d get rid of the masks that would really cheer me up

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patritus · 20/02/2022 19:51

Just wave your phone in the direction of the code in the unlikely event you’re asked @UselessASD. No one checks and no one actually does it.

Yep definitely this. I can't remember when I last entered mine. No one checks if you've left contact tracing details anymore.

ResilienceWanker · 20/02/2022 19:55

No one checks and no one actually does it.

This is generally true... Though I was somewhere the other day where there was a queue, and a staff member was going down the queue getting people to sign in. And at the till they wouldn't serve you until you showed the "tick" showing that you'd signed in. I was Shock Hmm I'd have gone somewhere else, but I really needed a coffee and had committed a good few minutes to the queue by the time I realised what was happening!

WouldBeGood · 20/02/2022 20:00

Gosh, @ResilienceWanker that hasn’t happened to me!

There’s no obligation to put your real details in the check in app so it’s pointless anyway

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WouldBeGood · 20/02/2022 20:22

Is it from tomorrow no masks in class?

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Scianel · 20/02/2022 20:27

ResilienceWanker where was that? So I can roundly avoid them.
Last coffee shop i was in was Tinderbox and half the customers weren't wearing masks to walk round and staff and customers alike ignored the check in thing. They'll see me again.

Scianel · 20/02/2022 20:28

Can I ask you all, with the boosters has it just been Moderna they are dishing out or did some of you get Pfizer?

Lidlfix · 20/02/2022 20:37

I got Pfizer but that was back in December.

AmadeustheAlpaca · 20/02/2022 20:44

Everyone I know who has had boosters has received Moderna but maybe that’s just local to me. I live in Edinburgh. Happy to be corrected.

Scianel · 20/02/2022 20:51

Has anyone else formed the impression that moderna is a lot heavier going for feeling rough afterwards?

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