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Guilt Free Railing 18

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WouldBeGood · 20/01/2022 11:45

Will it ever end?

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patritus · 22/02/2022 10:41

@mapleleavesreturn

Oh I'd bet we'll see some Scottish differentiation on 'free' lfts it's too juicy an opportunity for them not to hammer the scotland is different and better wedge in.
The problem with continuing this is the money will have to come at the expense of something else, probably within healthcare. And as Chris Whitty pointed out yesterday, there are many many more people dying of other conditions than covid!
mapleleavesreturn · 22/02/2022 10:46

They don't accept the causal relationship and people can't get past NS sounding more tough on covid than Boris on tv.

Absolutely patritus - unless we are selling free lfts as an anxiety cure, I'd rather they spent the money on addressing the run away health and education crises that are endemic now.

Scianel · 22/02/2022 11:17

I'm convinced at this point that 90% of the course of the pandemic in a given location has absolutely nothing to do with the active policy choices made by its government

I've always thought that was likely the case, unless we went full China and welded people indoors.
I suspect that the waves would have risen and fallen much the same if we hadn't tinkered. But what happens is that case numbers rise, there's a lockdown or some other NPIs implemented, numbers then fall as they must and will and people assume there's causation in the correlation.

Rinse and repeat for two miserable years.

WouldBeGood · 22/02/2022 11:18

Totally agree @Dissimilitude.

All the stats from across the world now demonstrate this.

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WouldBeGood · 22/02/2022 11:19

In other railing, the papers are claiming that the free bikes scheme (remember that?!) has cost best part of a million quid, with around 1,000 bikes given out….

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Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 22/02/2022 11:23

@WouldBeGood

In other railing, the papers are claiming that the free bikes scheme (remember that?!) has cost best part of a million quid, with around 1,000 bikes given out….
Those are pretty expensive bikes. You'd think they'd be able to get a bulk discount or something. Is this the kind of negotiating skill we can expect in an independent Scotland Hmm
GoldenOmber · 22/02/2022 12:03

Our population is now slightly less immunologicallly exposed than England, so our base case rate has nudged up.

Yes exactly. And I suppose they can say this was worth doing previously because it meant more people got boosted before getting infected, or it helped hospitals cope by spreading the total infections out over a longer period. But surely we’re getting to the end of it serving even that purpose now?

GoldenOmber · 22/02/2022 12:13

I suppose what worries me is that I see the imposition of restrictions on everyday life as something that has a cost to people (financial or otherwise) so shouldn’t be kept in place unless the benefit is greater.

But there are a lot of people who don’t think there is a cost, because they don’t distinguish between “I think this is good so I would choose to do this myself” and “I think this is good so everybody should have to do it.” And they don’t see the government finger-wagging and warning and nitpicky guidance on spaces and services as having a net cost - they see it as beneficial, because it helps people feel safer or makes the unscrupulous masses take covid seriously or whatever.

And I’m a bit worried they’re the ones the government has been listening to up to this point, and is going to be keeping in mind with todays announcement.

Lockdownbear · 22/02/2022 12:21

Surely for £1m we should be reducing our carbon footprint but building a bike factory and using locally sourced steel tubes, creating work for local peopleHmm

mapleleavesreturn · 22/02/2022 12:25

Did you see on the bbc article on test and trace that the cost £37 bn is more than was spent on GP care in the same period?

That's astounding.

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 22/02/2022 12:25

I've just seen that over half a million people are on hospital waiting lists in Scotland with about 1 in 10 of these waiting for more than a year! My mind is blown - that's 10% of the entire population waiting for hospital treatment (with similar proportion in England it has to be said, although it's not clear how long they've been waiting). Staffing shortages are thought to be at the heart of the delays. This is the crisis now, clearing NHS backlogs, allowing staff to work (not isolate for stupid reasons) and restructuring to get a health service fit for purpose, not pushing futile efforts to contain a virus that can't be contained (but thankfully isn't that dangerous anyway now that there's so much immunity).

Dissimilitude · 22/02/2022 12:32

@GoldenOmber

Our population is now slightly less immunologicallly exposed than England, so our base case rate has nudged up.

Yes exactly. And I suppose they can say this was worth doing previously because it meant more people got boosted before getting infected, or it helped hospitals cope by spreading the total infections out over a longer period. But surely we’re getting to the end of it serving even that purpose now?

I'd argue that such case-shifting restrictions are only ever justified when there is a danger of the health service being overwhelmed, with a loss of ability to provide normal emergency care.

But we're slowly being acclimatised to a world where the bar for impinging on people's freedom is, instead, that the NHS is very busy. That's not good enough. People can have reasonable disagreements about what level of COVID activity constitutes an unreasonable burden on the NHS, but we not be allowing the tail to wag the dog here - the NHS serves society, not the other way round.

Additionally, there are clearly plenty of parts of the NHS (and the wider economy) that have more or less refused to go back to anything like a normal service. Lots of services like podiatry are still reduced.

Why? It's totally self-serving. Half of the economy is operating like this, using "safety" as a complete fig leaf for various special interests.

Dissimilitude · 22/02/2022 12:45

E.g. teacher's insistence that they are somehow at extra special risk of covid, so we must maintain this ridiculous epidemiological theater in schools, and students across the whole educational spectrum are having a reduced experience (including long periods of zero in-person teaeching), all despite the evidence that they're at the exact same risk as the general population (and a lot lower than many workers, e.g. public transport workers).

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 22/02/2022 12:52

Totally agree with you @Dissimilitude, COVID 'safety' is being used as an excuse by far too many now. To be fair though, most of the teachers I've spoken to on the ground are also sick to death of all the nonsense in schools. It seems to be the EIS, claiming to speak for teachers, who are insisting on all this stuff (and Nicola seems powerless to resist for some reason).

GoldenOmber · 22/02/2022 13:28

My own (non-teacher) union was pretty useless throughout the pandemic too. Not a whisper when half of us were losing our minds WFH over lockdown, stuck in small houses or trying to work with kids or making up the shortfall for others WFH with kids. But the second people got to go back to offices they wrote to us saying “we’ll fight for you against this dangerous and unnecessary push back to offices!”

I did politely point out that they hadn’t actually asked us about our feelings on offices at any point, and they said they had sent round a survey in January 2021 asking us about our preferred WFH/office working patterns. January 2021. I ask you.

Anyway: I do agree that restrictions on people’s lives to cut down health service burden should only ever be the last port of call in an emergency, not a standard way to reduce pressure on public services, which it seems to be fast becoming. Where does that lead: “police and justice systems are busy, so don’t go out after dark in case you get attacked and add to the crime burden”?

Lockdownbear · 22/02/2022 13:43

One thing the Uni lecturer's need to watch out for is basically doing themselves out a job.
This year I believe some have used the same recorded lectures they used last year. Some subjects will change rapidly and require new updated information others not so much.
If you are going to be playing the same old YouTube video why does the Uni need to keep you and not just the collection of videos!

IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021 · 22/02/2022 13:48

I can confirm that @Lockdownbear out of 5 classes only 3 are actually live teaching and engaging. The other 2 are old lectures and online labs. No weekly teams etc.

The views seem mixed. Some want to be in so we do some on campus stuff but 2 are just point blank refusing any face to face teaching. Online exam in May as well.

Scianel · 22/02/2022 13:50

One thing the Uni lecturer's need to watch out for is basically doing themselves out a job

I'm brushing up my Python skills and I can confirm that the free YouTube content available is far better than my in-person classes years ago. And did I mention that it's free?

IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021 · 22/02/2022 13:53

Oh @Scianel thanks for that. I want to learn python. I will check that out. We don't cover it on my course but I want to have a basic knowledge for when I graduate just in case.

Scianel · 22/02/2022 13:59

I'm currently doing a twelve hour one, you'll be able to move through most of it very quickly if you've got a programming background already:

But there's quite a few if that one doesn't suit, some 4 to 6 hour ones and some much quicker intros.

IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021 · 22/02/2022 14:04

@Scianel thank you! Really appreciate that.

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 22/02/2022 14:50

Lots of digs at Westminster (obvs), COVID not gone away, etc. etc., but vaccine passports gone from Monday, and masks optional from the 21st March! COVID requirements on business also to end on 21st March. Advice to isolate remains for now, free laterals flows for all and PCR for symptomatic people to remain until sometime in March when they will update further. Advised to test routinely twice a week still.

WouldBeGood · 22/02/2022 15:02

Well.. some better news I guess!

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runningpink · 22/02/2022 15:05

I am so bloody HAPPY for the first time in 2 years. I could cry

I never thought she would lift stuff.

ResilienceWanker · 22/02/2022 15:10

Crikey. Wasn't expecting masks to go (still a month to go, but better than nowt)! That's fantastic! will need to dig out lipstick from back of drawer