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WouldBeGood · 20/01/2022 11:45

Will it ever end?

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Scottishskifun · 02/02/2022 22:30

Sorry ranting too quickly on my phone loads of typos!

ChristmasPlanning · 02/02/2022 22:55

My first thought was why can't they just leave doors open! Surely mire effective & means the doors can be used to stop the spread of fire.

The SNP are a joke. The country is a mess & all they are about is another referendum & cutting doors Angry

ResilienceWanker · 03/02/2022 11:52

Ha! Yes I saw that about the doors this morning and was about to mention it here... but see you're all there before me Grin. What a bonkers suggestion... fire safety..? Nahhhh, its all about COVID remember. Also, the idea that £300k would even touch the sides of doing this for every school in the country... Have they any idea how much contractors charge?!

ElephantOfRisk · 03/02/2022 11:57

@ResilienceWanker

Ha! Yes I saw that about the doors this morning and was about to mention it here... but see you're all there before me Grin. What a bonkers suggestion... fire safety..? Nahhhh, its all about COVID remember. Also, the idea that £300k would even touch the sides of doing this for every school in the country... Have they any idea how much contractors charge?!
I wonder how many classroom doors there are in the country?
ElephantOfRisk · 03/02/2022 12:01

Quick guesstimate. There were apparently £53,400 teachers in 2020 with more employed in 2021 for pandemic recovery.

If we presume that each teacher has a classroom - I know not all will but we are guesstimating here, then that means the £300k budget divided by number of teachers works out at £5.61 per door.

ResilienceWanker · 03/02/2022 12:06

To be fair, it doesn't sound as if they are planning to lop every door in every school (and, hey, they may even be leaving designated fire doors alone, though even "normal" doors would have some fire prevention effect under normal circumstances I suppose) but even doing a few doors in some schools would really, really quickly add up costwise... And, yes, I suppose the door calculation could be added to the Plan B questions Grin

ResilienceWanker · 03/02/2022 12:07

Bah... You've given away the answer! Can't use that now...

Cismyfatarse · 03/02/2022 12:08

Music. The study of "The Doors"

Scianel · 03/02/2022 12:08

This reads like a joke. Unfortunately the joke is on us as ever.

ElephantOfRisk · 03/02/2022 12:09

You'd also need to calculate the cost of then replacing all the cut off doors when common sense prevailed. If it ever does.

Wonder if any other country has decided to cut the bottom of the classroom doors?

My cat is all for this idea being spread to homes so that she can stroll through the whole house whenever she feels like it.

ElephantOfRisk · 03/02/2022 12:11

Maybe the doors could just self identify as being open/chopped off?

Men get to be women without having anything chopped off.

ResilienceWanker · 03/02/2022 12:20

My cat is all for this idea being spread to homes so that she can stroll through the whole house whenever she feels like it.

Grin Good point. It's also against the human rights of burglars not to have a way to access a property without breaking a window and risking getting cut on the glass. So a small gap under each external door, for ventilation purposes only, you understand, would go some way to righting that injustice.

ElephantOfRisk · 03/02/2022 12:24

Imagine the size of the draft excluder/sausage dog thingy you would need for that? I think I've found my side hustle idea for etsy - I'm ahead of the curve.

WhatWouldTheDoctorDo · 03/02/2022 12:53

I think the letter or info this story originated from said it was 2000 doors at £150 per door. So not all doors. Still a ridiculous waste of money though. I've got a load of door wedges that ironically don't fit my internal doors because gap at the bottom is too high, I might donate them to some local schools. Wink

WouldBeGood · 03/02/2022 12:57

But.. why not just leave them open??

Or stop getting knickers in a twist about the covid ffs

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ElephantOfRisk · 03/02/2022 12:59

Don't try bringing common sense into this @WhatWouldTheDoctorDo!

However, £300k could provide a lot of benefit if spent on local supportive projects rather than this questionable one.

2000 doors will be a drop in the ocean, how do they know it's that many?

WhatWouldTheDoctorDo · 03/02/2022 12:59

From the bbc summary of FM's questions today it sounds like Douglas Ross was giving Nicola a hard time and she was doing that thing where she ridicules the question and refuses to answer it.

WouldBeGood · 03/02/2022 13:05

That really annoys me @WhatWouldTheDoctorDo. If it’s so obvious, why can’t she just answer politely?!

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ElephantOfRisk · 03/02/2022 13:05

@WhatWouldTheDoctorDo

From the bbc summary of FM's questions today it sounds like Douglas Ross was giving Nicola a hard time and she was doing that thing where she ridicules the question and refuses to answer it.
and people keep saying how skilled she is. She is a consummate politician on one hand and nothing matters but her own progress and power, but she lacks any empathy/emotional intelligence etc. All she does is deflect and get angry and agitated - that's when we see her true character imo. The façade of acceptability drops and we see who she really is. Snidey, power hungry, sleekit and ill tempered.
WhatWouldTheDoctorDo · 03/02/2022 13:14

Agreed. I'm often like WHY CANT PEOPLE SEE?!?!

ResilienceWanker · 03/02/2022 13:30

@WhatWouldTheDoctorDo

From the bbc summary of FM's questions today it sounds like Douglas Ross was giving Nicola a hard time and she was doing that thing where she ridicules the question and refuses to answer it.
Yes - this is ridiculous. It doesn't portray a strong, capable leader who is sure of their policies and actions and happy to justify them. It just gives the impression she's a bit of a bullshitter. Even if she thinks DR is wrong, and even if she thinks he is only asking to gain a political point. (um, well, yes, they are politicians... that's kind of what they do, and even political points may be worth making...)

I was reading a thread earlier touching on an area I know very little about. There were two arguments being made, both by people who sounded to me, a fool, as if they knew what they were talking about. But one "side" seemed to be unreasonably rude and snippy to the other (not just two people I don't think... though it may have been various sock puppets arguing among themselves I suppose!) - all "you don't understand what you're talking about", "I wouldn't employ you to advise on x", "that's obviously rubbish" and so on. And the other side was explaining how they understood certain legislation to work, asking where they were misunderstanding a point etc.

Guess which side I was more convinced by?! I may have been totally wrong of course, but in my mind someone who REALLY understands something is more than willing to explain their thinking calmly, accept that other people have other (common) misperceptions and that they may themselves indeed be mistaken sometimes, or not have thought of a particular ramification when it is pointed out. They very rarely try to belittle someone who doesn't have the same understanding, but can point out where they think an interpretation is wrong. Of course Holyrood and MN are different places, thank God or maybe it would be better if they werent But if anything, I'd hope the standard of argument in the former was more polite and civil than the latter!

IKeptYouLikeAnOath · 03/02/2022 13:35

Oh my god was that the thread where two people were arguing about GDPR?! That was pointless and hilarious - why waste your life arguing about legislation with a stranger online?

Scottishskifun · 03/02/2022 13:38

@Scianel

This reads like a joke. Unfortunately the joke is on us as ever.
Exactly this. Especially as the SG has hammered businesses putting covid controls under the health and safety act including risk assessments, installation of mechanical ventilation if CO2 is above 1200 ppm etc and they can be reported and potentially prosecuted by the HSE......

Except this doesn't apply to schools because the SG would have to pay for it!
So teachers aren't apparently in a workplace and are magical covid people who aren't at risk.........HmmAngry

The hypocrisy is astronomical!

ResilienceWanker · 03/02/2022 13:53

@IKeptYouLikeAnOath

Oh my god was that the thread where two people were arguing about GDPR?! That was pointless and hilarious - why waste your life arguing about legislation with a stranger online?
Haha! That was the bugger BlushGrin. I thought it was interesting and I wasted a good half hour reading people arguing about legislation online while not fully understanding what they were arguing about. So, who's the fool there, then..? Wink Though I think if I had a good understanding of GDPR, I'd have more financially rewarding ways of putting my knowledge to use than posting on mumsnet and getting virtually shouted at. Even if doing it provided other people with an interesting way of avoiding the washing up.
ResilienceWanker · 03/02/2022 13:56

Precisely scotishskifun! They are perfectly fine obligating small businesses to spend ££££ to meet whatever bonkers rules they bring in, but as soon as it becomes an expense they will have to bear its all "oh, well, it doesn't apply to us, we'll find other ways of doing it that's a more efficient use of taxpayer money..."

Tossers.