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Guilt Free Railing 16

978 replies

WouldBeGood · 19/12/2021 09:43

The festive special!

As always, all railing welcome, along with good things or humorous asides. No resilience wankery. This is the safe place to let out anything that’s doing your head in.

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OldaRailer · 20/12/2021 11:02

The railing crosses such issues!

ResilienceWanker · 20/12/2021 11:08

@rookiemere

Agree *@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us* . I've been reading that there's consideration being given ( in UK) to reducing isolation to 7 days if no symptoms remaining.

That's what we need to be looking at and thinking about now, but the initial knee jerk reaction of SG - everyone needs to isolate for 10 days if in contact with covid- doesn't give me much reassurance that they'd be open to this.

At this point we need to be considering least worst options and if lockdown is on that list then reduced compliance needs to be factored in to that equation.

Exactly. I think there are some countries where isolation is 3 (?) days after your symptoms go - up til 10(?), and only 7 days if no symptoms.

But when a journalist suggested something like that at one of the briefings last week (or maybe to do with contact isolation?), NS rolled her eyes and said "well, that would be a totally stupid idea..." and dismissed it out of hand, pretty rudely really. So not sure that'll be happening here any time soon.

rookiemere · 20/12/2021 11:08

@ssd I sincerely doubt there's any photos of Nicola at a knees up although the continued sight of them all in parliament with no bleeping masks never ceases to amaze me with it's cognitive dissonance. Her work ethic and I think actual moral code are both her strength and - played too far - a weakness. The SG has different faults from the Tories.
I was going to say I wouldn't much fancy meeting Nicola Sturgeon at a party, but then wouldn't like to bump into BoJo either. If you were vaguely young and attractive he'd be all handsy, but as I'm neither he'd likely poke fun or ignore me.

OnceUponAWhine · 20/12/2021 11:19

@ssd

I dont care. Ill take my chances with anyone apart from this mob.
I understand your rage, but quite frankly it’s ScotGov managing us in Scotland through this. The pseudo Greens going above Nicola’s the law here has simply been forgotten, conveniently.

Literally, the tories having a party/work meeting has been leaked to infuriate those who followed rules imposed by them. ScotGov rules included not being able to leave your council areas. Utterly ludicrous and made no difference.

We need to be concerned what is about to be imposed on us here, it impacts our local economies, Scottish education and most importantly NHS Scotland, all of which NS is responsible for, not Boris. So much political play going on from all just now, it’s hypocritical nonsense. (That’s my rail in general, not directed at you @ssd Xmas Smile)

ecceromani · 20/12/2021 11:19

If the aim is to offer booster to everyone over 18 by end of month then they need to look at incentivising being fully vaccinated again by not having to isolate as a household contact.
I would be happy to do LFT every day instead

ResilienceWanker · 20/12/2021 11:28

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

I came across this interesting article at the weekend which discusses the SAGE modelling that has been widely reported and is being used by some to justify calling for tighter restrictions. Now, I knew that modelling was often wrong (usually being too pessimistic - e.g. this summer), but I had assumed that they were modelling all possible (or even likely) scenarios. It turns out that this latest modelling doesn't even consider the possibility that omicron is milder than delta (which is looking more likely every day), and if you do use include this possibility as a variable the picture suddenly looks a whole lot better and more restrictions become unnecessary. One of the SAGE modellers goes on to explain that they model what they're told to, which is only scenarios where action would need to be taken (i.e. not the positive ones where no action is needed). I also read somewhere else I think that they only considered hospitalisations and deaths, and assumed that others were modelling the effects of restrictions on various aspects (I'm not so sure they are, and have never seen this..). I find this totally astonishing, although it does go some way to understanding the disconnect between what the model says will happen and reality. What is worrying is that this one sided, overly pessimistic picture is often used as evidence in the call for more restrictions.
In fairness, assessing "reasonable worst case" is an accepted way of modelling risk/ impact - which gives you an indication of what could happen, and then you can put in measures to prevent or mitigate that. Although you can make assumptions as to how effective certain "inbuilt" features could be at reducing the impact, if there us uncertainty about that, you can't use that as an excuse not to put particular measures in place (precautionary principle). So I assume that as so little is known about the severity of omicron, they didn't have sufficient confidence that it would be milder, or well prevented by vaccines/ boosters so modelled it as if it wasn't milder, and reinfection/ vaccine escape was more likely.

Admittedly, in the kind of things I deal with (environmental risks) the mitigations aren't as damaging to society as lockdown etc... It's generally just a financial cost! So it does surprise me that they didn't have ANY consideration of a possible "best case" too. But from a modelling/ assessment point of view, it's not too unusual to just look at one scenario, when there is sufficient variability and uncertainty in that by itself! And, as for all viruses, the most effective way of stopping its spread is by preventing people from mixing/ meeting...so it's hardly surprising that that is what is being recommended, in a vacuum isolated from actual real life implications.

If we did have proof it was milder, it may have been modelled as being preferable to "let it rip" ( Xmas Hmm- hate that phrase) to burn out in the population, create immunity against omicron at least, and prevent the "kicking the can down the road" effect of lockdown. But I'm not a modeller and don't have the data, so I don't know...

ResilienceWanker · 20/12/2021 11:37

@ssd

Im ranting about the latest leaked photos showing Johnson and co drinking wine last may. My ds had his birthday then and was sat alone in his flat. I asked him to come out but he wouldn't as it was against the rules . He was 21 and a decent sensible boy. We knew he could maybe sit in the garden but he said if he needed the loo he wasn't allowed inside, so he stayed home alone. Same as he'd done for weeks on end. I was scared for his mental health but there was no way he was breaking any rules.

I should have said it was a business meeting and had him over for dinner.

I'm so angry people like us with no say but with a conscience did what they thought was the right thing at that time. Im so angry and disgusted.
And i know the Scottish government do stupid things and waste money and dont know what a woman is. And i know theres probably photos if nicola sturgeon at a knee's up during lockdown.
But i hate this fucking right wing tory boy government with all my heart.
And I'll vote snp until we get independence from them and then I'll decide who to vote for once independence is delivered. Hopefully hopefully a more left if centre labour party mind find its balls and get a decent party together here in Scotland. But until then I'll vote snp until we are separate from years and fucking years of tory governments, which England will be stuck with, as they seem to be in thrall of these fuckwits.

Yes, this (apart from the independence thing Xmas Blush - but I can understand your thinking!) It does just cement the impression that it was "one rule for us...". OK, there may have been an exemption for work meetings and outdoor meetings and whatever... but come on folks... It's all gone a bit Dominic Cummings with his childcare exemption. And just because you CAN claim an exemption, doesn't mean you SHOULD Xmas Grin - especially if that exemption involves booze and nibbles. Just admit you were wrong, apologise and let things take their course, ffs...

The Scottish greens probably shouldn't be throwing stones from their glass house, though.

Lockdownbear · 20/12/2021 13:35

While there is unlikely to be any broken the rules photos of Nicola, let's not forget she was still going to work every day interacting with real people standing on her soap box while other people were getting told to stay home and kids weren't allowed to see friends or play on swings.

Really none of them have a clue, but BoJo at least lifted restrictions ASAP.

BlameItOnTheBlackStar · 20/12/2021 15:22

🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌 @ssd

duvetdrama · 20/12/2021 15:45

We're in isolation (day 4) as my primary aged daughter has Covid. We're all taking LF tests every day and so far the rest of us are negative. My secondary aged daughter hasn't had any vaccines but DH and I have had our boosters...when can I relax a bit about isolation going on beyond 10 days?? Anyone know when the most likely time to show up a positive is...I think this is Omicron (spread through the school incredibly quickly and many, many cases) I think the incubation for Omicron is shorter, are we out of the woods yet?Confused

2022HereWeCome · 20/12/2021 16:20

@duvetdrama
Why are you taking LFT daily if you are already isolating as a household?Are these the rules - test and isolate? I don't get it? If you have symptoms surely you have to go for a PCR to confirm in any case? And if you wanted to be certain you didn't have Covid testing on day 8 or something but every day??

OnceUponAWhine · 20/12/2021 16:48

Late afternoon rail time…Save us all, the chief mammy is on the tv again tomorrowXmas Hmm

Fear and spin, waffle, grumble about Westminster, fear, fear, waffle, fear, eye roll at journalist, fear, waffle, faux concern and care, waffle, grumble, fear, festive faux care message. Get your booster. Ends.

OnceUponAWhine · 20/12/2021 16:56

Looks like a briefing in parliament, not a separate TV message. For journalist insert ‘member of opposition’ and all the above still applies.

WouldBeGood · 20/12/2021 16:59

Hope it’s not to do with the extended WM cabinet meeting happening now..

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Haudyourwheesht · 20/12/2021 17:04

@OnceUponAWhine

Late afternoon rail time…Save us all, the chief mammy is on the tv again tomorrowXmas Hmm

Fear and spin, waffle, grumble about Westminster, fear, fear, waffle, fear, eye roll at journalist, fear, waffle, faux concern and care, waffle, grumble, fear, festive faux care message. Get your booster. Ends.

As long as that's all it is, and not more restrictions.
OldaRailer · 20/12/2021 17:06

Is that not normal for a Tuesday? I haven't been following recently.

shouldistop · 20/12/2021 17:09

Chief mammy made me laugh Grin

duvetdrama · 20/12/2021 17:10

@2022HereWeCome testing every day so we can pick anything up ASAP. If one of us tests positive on day 4 household isolation would restart then, if we leave it until day 8 before test then find one of us is positive then we start over at that point.

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 20/12/2021 17:14

BBC reporting that Boris isn't introducing any new measures at this time, but is keeping everything under constant review. I'm glad that the fact they're not acting yet means they're not overreacting to the pessimistic modelling, but the uncertainty still leaves plenty of room for anxiety. I get the feeling that at Westminster they really don't want to introduce any more restrictions, and if they can possibly avoid it they will. I get the opposite impression from Nicola who I think would like to lock us all down 'just in case', but if Westminster won't do it I don't see how she can.

OldaRailer · 20/12/2021 17:19

Chief Mammy also made me laugh.
Thanks for that!

mibbelucieachwell · 20/12/2021 17:23

Extended cabernet meeting. Anyone for cheese?

(Can't take credit for the cabernet witticism but it's nice to share eh)

OnceUponAWhine · 20/12/2021 17:27

@mibbelucieachwell

Extended cabernet meeting. Anyone for cheese?

(Can't take credit for the cabernet witticism but it's nice to share eh)

Xmas Grin

See also, Cabernet brie-fing

mibbelucieachwell · 20/12/2021 17:30

Cabernet briefing also excellent also Grin

I see from another thread - really must start the dinner - that he did a recorded statement for sky news? Eh what?

Apparently no blue sky thinking on it though.

Lockdownbear · 20/12/2021 17:35

I get the feeling that at Westminster they really don't want to introduce any more restrictions, and if they can possibly avoid it they will. I get the opposite impression from Nicola who I think would like to lock us all down 'just in case', but if Westminster won't do it I don't see how she can.

Pretty much sums it up and that's been the thing all the way through. UK Gov seem to look at the big picture, Inc keeping the economy moving, Scot Gov are only interested in being able to say, we did it better, regardless of what state the country is in at the end of it.

ecceromani · 20/12/2021 17:38

It will be a foolhardy brave politician that cancels Christmas again!