Guilt Free Railing 13

[WouldBeGood]

Unlucky for some.. maybe lucky for us?

I think we should stop saying scexit, it's a grim word and is making me feel quite queasy.

I think we should be using it all the time tbh as that is what it is and yes it is awful but it's entirely representative of the potential reality.

And I like a goof Bond Movie!

Yes well done @ssd, you must be so proud!

And also commiserations with the poorly wee ones.

Thanks all. Very proud of him.

Aw man I usually agree with you @ElephantOfRisk but scexit isn't making its way into my vocabulary.

Even if I know deep down you're right.

Congratulations to your son @ssd! A fantastic achievement!

I totally sympathise with wanting a different political direction and also feel politically homeless (and unbelievably frustrated with the labour party for descending into infighting and woke bullshit rather than concentrating on things that will actually make them electable). I do think it's a little naive to think that things would be better in an independent Scotland though. Even the SNP's own advisors are saying that the economic hit would be severe which makes everyone's life considerably worse rather than better (the poorest especially). That's without even getting into the political turmoil caused and bad feeling that will likely last for a very long time if roughly half the country are dragged out of the UK against their will. I worry that we might even see violence as in NI, although perhaps as @Scottishskifun says it will 'only' be a mass exodus of those with the means over the border. And of course, the SNP would be in charge of all of the divorce proceedings and setting up of new institutions etc., and since everything they touch turns to shit that's a frankly terrifying prospect.

I agree with @ElephantOfRisk that they've played their hand very badly. They had a prime opportunity to use their already considerable powers to make life better in Scotland, turn it in the direction they claim to want. If they had been competent they could have accumulated even more powers, people would see it as a natural but positive move and independence would be almost a formality in the end. Instead they've gone for a combination of incompetence and grievance-mongering and have probably already maxed out the number of people who can be persuaded independence is a good thing, while also causing deep divisions in Scottish society. We should absolutely learn from the mistakes of Brexit, and it should take much more than a simple majority to enact such major change. As it stands, if by some miracle they did manage to get Indyref2, and then just about squeak over the line in the vote, the Scotland that would be left over wouldn't be one many people would want to live in.

Another rail. Just read about Sarah Everard. It's a very distressing case and one which I didn't know very much about. Her poor family, imagine knowing someone had done such a thing to your most precious thing.

@titsintiers

Aw man I usually agree with you *@ElephantOfRisk* but scexit isn't making its way into my vocabulary.

Even if I know deep down you're right.

You know it makes sense....

SNP folk railing against brexit need to accept that scexit is what they are voting for.

In fact anyone against this needs to stop referring to indy ref etc imo

@titsintiers

Another rail. Just read about Sarah Everard. It's a very distressing case and one which I didn't know very much about. Her poor family, imagine knowing someone had done such a thing to your most precious thing.

Yes, it's an awful story, I hadn't realised that he'd "arrested" her for a covid breach.

We were meant to be going to see bond on Friday night but can't ask mil to babysit now that the baby has a temperature. We'll hopefully get to go another time. I'm not fussed about bond but dh likes it.

I guess i got into the Bond films more when DSs were teenagers as it was a good option to go to at Christmas etc and I enjoyed them more than I thought.

DH is quite excited about the Bond movie, so we're off on Saturday evening. A bit of escapism will be good, hope it's not too gritty.

That detail about Everard's killer arresting her is absolutely chilling. Her poor family.

I adore Bond films and might take Dd (will check cert etc) but I was sad to read that facial disfigurement support groups have campaigned to not have more Bond villains with facial disfigurement - they have a #notyourvillain campaign and I can see their point.

Just musing. The vaccination confirmation has your name and address on it. Is it really a great idea for that to have to be shared with random bouncers, for example, especially if you’re a young woman?

And will proof of ID be required alongside it?

Yeah, it's very intrusive showing non medical personnel your medical and personal details tbh.

When I was a teenager a bouncer stuck his hand up my skirt and tried to get his hand inside my knickers so I'm unfortunately very wary of bouncers. Clubbing days are over now though.

Address?
That's bit crazy, particularly with younger population (let's face it that's who it's really aimed at to increase vaccine uptake) who tend to be quite mobile
DOB would make more sense

@WouldBeGood

Just musing. The vaccination confirmation has your name and address on it. Is it really a great idea for that to have to be shared with random bouncers, for example, especially if you’re a young woman?

And will proof of ID be required alongside it?

Your ID has your details on it. Including DOB..

But it’s not the law to show your id to get into a nightclub/restaurant playing music after midnight/etc.

And, for example, a passport doesn’t have your address

@WouldBeGood

But it’s not the law to show your id to get into a nightclub/restaurant playing music after midnight/etc.

It is needed for those who must show they're over 18 or 21. I can't get my knickers in a twist about it tbh.

When I was younger there were defo some sleazy bouncers I wouldn't be happy about having my address.
I wonder what training they have in handling sensitive data.

Quite @shouldistop. I think all the news yesterday made me think of this this morning. It’s far too much information to be required by the state for an individual to be allowed to enter an entertainment venue, and I don’t think potential consequences have been thought through.

I'm sure they do undergo a lot of training and background checks but if they have I'll intents that wouldn't stop them. See Sarah Everard for example, police officers also have training, a lot more than a bouncer will.

I'm sure the overwhelming majority of bouncers will take no more than a cursory glance and instantly forget, but it's just another opportunity for creeps and more to target vulnerable people.

They really don’t, in my experience @ElephantOfRisk. Many of them were clients!

And yes, of course I’m sure that’s true, but it’s needless disclosure of information that normally you’d be advised against giving out.

I agree, it's probably safe in the hands of the majority but its not the majority we need to be concerned with.

I thought nowadays bouncers needed to have certification and training? I bet that is fudged a lot though.