The Scottish power grab?

[Mango1982]

The SNP has unveiled sinister plans to make its emergency Covid powers permanent. Deputy First Minister John Swinney says it's an opportunity to maintain the brilliant 'innovations' the SNP has made in the last 15 months.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/17/scottish-government-wants-make-emergency-covid-powers-permanent/

Not shocked at all but worried yes !
I knew governments wouldn’t never want to give back these powers they never do 🤷‍♀️

But they consult and then don't publish the results if it doesn't fit their narrative and I already pay many MSPs to represent me so i'm not sure why this is a public consultation and not everything is.

If they were trying to ram things through piecemeal @ElephantOfRisk @rightenough why would they bother consulting? Why wouldn't they just get the majority in the parliament to vote it through? You should make it clear in the form exactly which parts of the legislation you are opposed to and which ones you support. Then come back here and make clear what you disagree with and do the same on Twitter and Facebook and contact your MSP. Oppose the legislation you don't like and see that go through full process in the parliament which will take a bit longer. If enough people make a fuss about exactly what they disagree with and not just scream SNP Bad !!!! they may actually listen !!!

You are joking right?

It's absolutely nonsense that they don't publish consultation @ElephantOfRisk it's on their website and all over Twitter @ElephantOfRisk

Is it? I thought we were waiting on the results of the consultation on gender? Happy to be directed though.

Do you actually disagree with virtual registration of still births?? Or legal aid for people who desperately need it?

I don't think I can be any clearer here.

They could slide "give every family a £5000 bonus paid for by taxing Starbucks and Amazon" and I would not agree that pushing through legislation on the back of an emergency pandemic without the same checks and balances given in 'normal times' is okay.

If virtual registration of still births and legal aid is such a good idea, why are they pushing through numerous other things which are not "universally good ideas" with it?

No @ElephantOfRisk they tend to listen to people who make a fuss !!! But read the consultation properly and fill it in sensibly. They aren't listening to people banging on in the telegraph and mumsnet but they do listen to Twitter and emails to MSPs. Probably Mumsnet is the worst place to complain about this as literally every single SNP person who posts on here has so much abuse we don't stay around long.

Ok @rightenough what exactly are the bad ideas?? Please quote from the document.

They listen to people who agree with their narrative. They don't give a feck about anyone else.

@ElephantOfRisk since the consultation on gender only closed a couple of weeks ago I am guessing you've never worked in the civil service!!! It will be published in good time.

[quote visitingagain]@ElephantOfRisk since the consultation on gender only closed a couple of weeks ago I am guessing you've never worked in the civil service!!! It will be published in good time. [/quote]
lol

Oh @ElephantOfRisk they've listened to loads of people on some very silly ideas like testing children and doing exams in a pandemic. I suppose you've decided you don't want them to listen to you just complain instead

What narrative do you disagree with?

You should make it clear in the form exactly which parts of the legislation you are opposed to and which ones you support.

I did the two I was strongly opposed to last night and it took far more of my time than I wanted to give them.

There's 81 pages, many of which are pointing to other pieces of legislation, many of which aren't exactly written in an "accessible" manner. Then you need to flip between tabs so you can refer to the actual text they are asking questions about it.

I did it, yes. Could my 72 year old not so great with computers other than posting on facebook grandmother do it? Very much doubt it.

This will go through.

And yet, didn't we just have an election? Was any of this on the flyers they sent through people's doors?

"We're going to keep all those covid powers" and "We're going to let six year old tomboys change their name without telling parents" doesn't really sound like things that'd get huge public support, do they?

Yet here we are...

@rightenough

You should make it clear in the form exactly which parts of the legislation you are opposed to and which ones you support.

I did the two I was strongly opposed to last night and it took far more of my time than I wanted to give them.

There's 81 pages, many of which are pointing to other pieces of legislation, many of which aren't exactly written in an "accessible" manner. Then you need to flip between tabs so you can refer to the actual text they are asking questions about it.

I did it, yes. Could my 72 year old not so great with computers other than posting on facebook grandmother do it? Very much doubt it.

This will go through.

And yet, didn't we just have an election? Was any of this on the flyers they sent through people's doors?

"We're going to keep all those covid powers" and "We're going to let six year old tomboys change their name without telling parents" doesn't really sound like things that'd get huge public support, do they?

Yet here we are...

Together with all the 100 day promises made.

I couldn't agree more. I started going through it but it's clearly designed to make it difficult or just not designed at all....

Given they've managed to shut everything down, twice, why on earth would they need extra powers for the the long term, because they can get it through hardly seems a decent argument.

I'm glad you did the form @rightenough and I agree it's not accessible- I made that clear too. I think if you email them they have a duty to provide an accessible version if your mum can be bothered.
There is absolutely no need to bring that frankly ridiculous transphobic nonsense into this. Hypothetical trans six year old boys ... so what if they want to be called whatever they like. Who cares. Everyone spouting this reds under the beds witch-hunt nonsense needs to check themselves. Would you have been supporting clause 28 30 years ago or talking about the gay plague? That's what this sounds like to me, utter shite and if you have a think you will realise what it is. You do realise that any males transitioning to females have been medically required to live as the opposite gender for two year since the 70s.
Please don't bring that uninformed nonsense to derail this thread.

You do realise that any males transitioning to females have been medically required to live as the opposite gender for two year since the 70s.

They don't anymore though do they?

@visitingagain ummm no, if my four year old told me he was gay I'd say that's nice dear and get on with my life until they're old enough to know what that means. Just the same as when my four year old daughter told me she was a boy I said that's nice dear and got on with my life until she was old enough to know what that means.

She's still a girl, funnily enough.

Anyway, my actual point was that they could actually campaign around these types of issues but they don't, do they, because they know that other than a very loud, very vocal minority on twitter - people disagree.

what exactly are the bad ideas??

I didn't say bad ideas. I said not universally good ideas. There is quite a big difference.

What are the police saying about remote custody hearings, for example? When they have all the people waiting on a hearing in their cells, has the SNP proposed what they should do with the newly arrested people? Where they're supposed to put them?

They do to get medical treatment @ElephantOfRisk and you're still derailing

I don't entirely agree with this bit @rightenough because I agree with you , there probably isn't capacity in police stations but if you read the document there is a new role of custody officers which is probably something to do with it.. I do think that if hearings are necessary and sensible that should be possible.. the thing is at the moment lots of criminal justice and courts are just in the ark.

The very fact that fuckwit Swinney thinks it's "brilliant" should be ringing HUGE, loud alarm bells.

They are really showing their totalitarian tendencies now, aren't they? What happened to treating us like adults and having a grown up conversation, Nicola? No, we need fuckwit Swinney, arsehole Sturgeon and that slimey wee shite Patrick Harvey to tell us what to do. Forever.

I can't believe people are defending this nonsense.

@rightenough actually in the real world people mainly support their neighbours and friends and just get on with life. Folk who are seen as different suffer and anything that can be done to protect them is only right. It's not a zero sum game - there's not a limited amount of human rights to go around and they aren't handed out or owned by one group.
Your lovely wee children 💗

ANYWAY yet again... if you disagree or agree with any of the consultation stop shouting about SNP bad, get on and express your views, email your MSP but don't reject the whole thing. If remote registration of stillbirth was the one thing that passed into statute easily as a legacy of all this wouldn't it be wonderful? The legislation is not one whole indivisible package. Have your say but don't appear stupid, bigoted and unthinking- keep the good and protest what you disagree with

Well @TheGenealogist this is a mature post, you've obviously read the document in detail

@visitingagain

They do to get medical treatment *@ElephantOfRisk* and you're still derailing

Some get medical treatment but have you heard about self ID? And sorry, derailing? is this your thread or have you just decided you are the thread police?

Anyway you are just chucking any nonsense in, no-one is shouting SNP BAD...we are having a discussion about our objections about the Scottish Government, you know, what people are supposed to do, challenge and disagree and not just follow what they are told by confirmed liars.