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Things moved quickly so I just started a new one ...

I'm glad I'm not on social media.

Mn is enough for me.

I find Twitter helpful for news, and politics, and have also found some proper sensible scientists and doctors to follow for rational Covid views.

I’m also stuck too much in my own company, so I like the banter.

I don’t watch any tv news it listen to the radio. I’m looking forward to getting back to radio listening when it’s not all polluted by doommongering.

I'd like to rail about the fact the RNLI felt the need to make a video in order to justify why they rescue men, women and children coming to the UK by boat. What a horrid government we have that aims to put in place legislation making the rescue of immigrants illegal.

@StarryEyeSurprise

I'd like to rail about the fact the RNLI felt the need to make a video in order to justify why they rescue men, women and children coming to the UK by boat. What a horrid government we have that aims to put in place legislation making the rescue of immigrants illegal.

There is no such legislation which makes the rescuing of lives at sea proposed to say that's incorrect paraphrasing of the legislation is an understatement.

The legislation is about the right to apply for asylum if arriving via illegal methods I don't agree with it at all but do see there is an emergency which puts lives at risk in overloaded and unsuitable boats whilst gangs profit. Its a very difficult issue.

At no point will the RNLI stop saving people at sea regardless of who they are. It's just Farage and his racist xenophobic monkeys who are giving the RNLI grief.

Don't let the facts stop Starry from blaming Westminster for everything that goes wrong.

It's an incredibly difficult issue and not one which is easily solved.
One side many are escaping trying to make a better lives but then people smugglers make millions putting lives at risk be that in a lorry or dingy and don't give two hoots if they drown or sufficate.

I think the UK is looking at the Australian model which is extremely harsh on one side I don't agree with shipping straight to Christmas Island and the human rights issues that has entailed. But I can also see the flip side they have gone from thousands of boat landing attempts to pretty much zero and the tens of thousands of lives which have been saved as the people smugglers have stopped doing it!

Either way the RNLI will always rescue those in trouble at sea and not ask to see paperwork first!

I agree @StarryEyeSurprise. The xenophobia and racism that provoked people into slagging off the RNLI is really a new low. And fuelled by Brexit. Absolutely vile. My heart bleeds for those people.

@YeDancer

Don't let the facts stop Starry from blaming Westminster for everything that goes wrong.

Who is at fault here then @YeDancer ?

@WouldBeGood

I agree *@StarryEyeSurprise*. The xenophobia and racism that provoked people into slagging off the RNLI is really a new low. And fuelled by Brexit. Absolutely vile. My heart bleeds for those people.

Totally. Absolutely horrific.

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@forfucksakenett Farage and his xenophobic monkeys! They were the same before brexit.
But @starryeyesuprise did incorrectly paraphrase the proposed legislation. Its not about making people who rescue people at sea illegal it's about trying to stop people smugglers. I think it goes about it in the wrong way but as said can also see a strong deterrent can also save countless lives from people smugglers cramming them onto any mode they can taking thousands of euros for it and not caring if they die and for some who do make it getting put straight into exploitation and the equivalent of slave working in many different industries.

I think it’s nasty anti immigrant outrage and appeals to a certain demographic.

The RNLI cast as baddies shows there’s something wrong.

@WouldBeGood

I think it’s nasty anti immigrant outrage and appeals to a certain demographic.

The RNLI cast as baddies shows there’s something wrong.

Most definitely and then some of them will go spend winter in Spain and complain that they are speaking Spanish and why do baked beans cost so much to buy there 🙄

[quote Scottishskifun]@forfucksakenett Farage and his xenophobic monkeys! They were the same before brexit.
But @starryeyesuprise did incorrectly paraphrase the proposed legislation. Its not about making people who rescue people at sea illegal it's about trying to stop people smugglers. I think it goes about it in the wrong way but as said can also see a strong deterrent can also save countless lives from people smugglers cramming them onto any mode they can taking thousands of euros for it and not caring if they die and for some who do make it getting put straight into exploitation and the equivalent of slave working in many different industries.[/quote]
Actually I took it from a QC.

And I was just reading about the incident that happened - the RNLI rescued men, women and children and as they took them to shore the volunteers and the people that were rescued were greeted with a hostile mob. What is wrong with people?!

@starryeyesuprise that section is aimed at people smugglers/trafficking RNLI is a rescue based charity it does not apply to them same as it wouldn't apply to a border force or coastguard vessel. It will also have a force majour (meaning in emergencies) Claus which further protects the RNLI.

Yes its disgusting the way they were treated sadly there are tosspots everywhere!

@StarryEyeSurprise

And I was just reading about the incident that happened - the RNLI rescued men, women and children and as they took them to shore the volunteers and the people that were rescued were greeted with a hostile mob. What is wrong with people?!

FFS

I am so fucking ashamed of what this wee island has become.

I agree that Farage and his Gang of Tossers are contemptible. But that in no way reflects the opinion of most of the country. Donations to the RNLI went up from around £7k pd to £200k pd earlier this week, and people from all political parties are supporting them and condemning FahGoT. It is a horrible, difficult situation, and the UK needs to do much, much better to ensure the rights and safety of all the migrants involved, but just because FahGoT are loud and obnoxious, it doesn't mean the majority of people agree with them or that it reflects the feelings of any kind of majority. Even among people who voted for brexit there has been a huge amount of sympathy for the people involved and support for what the RNLI are doing. They aren't all wankers.

The majority are silent as per usual

" The Tory Culture Secretary is standing by claims that GB News is a “welcome addition” to the UK’s media – despite the channel being widely condemned for broadcasting Nigel Farage’s attacks on the RNLI."

I had the same thought as @IncludeWomenInThePrequel when I saw the Australian PM had referred to Katie Hopkins as a 'right wing nutjob' when she was being deported a few weeks ago. To me, it spoke volumes that the Australian PM believes her to be right wing yet here she's given newspaper columns and airtime on prime time telly.

Yes, I did see the RNLI donations had increased 2,000 per cent and I'm sure most people are empathetic regarding people coming to the UK outwith the normal channels.

However, the UK Government's policies such as Windrush, the false 'hordes' pictures used during BJ's vote leave campaign, the billboard campaign asking people to report others they believe 'shouldn't be here', coupled with the racist Murdoch press has given rise to a really insidious aspect of today's UK.

We're not at the Bristol bus boycotts stage again however it does feel like we're going in the wrong direction at times.

@Scottishskifun Farage isn't in charge of immigration policy so why would he be the real focus for any blame? He's just a tit with a bit of a following.

[quote forfucksakenett]@Scottishskifun Farage isn't in charge of immigration policy so why would he be the real focus for any blame? He's just a tit with a bit of a following.

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Because this sort of antics has been going on a very long time in parts of England especially on the South East Coast which is a bit of a pressure pot for it some very low income deprived areas. Way before brexit, way before a new proposed immigration policy. Farage became the public voice for it over a decade ago and never got shut down for it by the police when he started up the vitriol so others followed suit in their behaviour and vocalising.
It isn't new you have even had self vigilantes immigration patrols there not in the welfare of the people who are potentially at risk of drowning but due to their xenophobic behaviour.
They feel more justified in their antics when Farage comes out with this crap and so continue on to ever escalating levels as seen with the RNLI.
But this isn't a just appeared since a proposed immigration bill came in.

[quote Scottishskifun]@starryeyesuprise that section is aimed at people smugglers/trafficking RNLI is a rescue based charity it does not apply to them same as it wouldn't apply to a border force or coastguard vessel. It will also have a force majour (meaning in emergencies) Claus which further protects the RNLI.

Yes its disgusting the way they were treated sadly there are tosspots everywhere![/quote]
The point that the QC is making that removal of the words “for gain” within the legislation actually widens the definition beyond that of smugglers and traffickers. He is qualified to make that interpretation. Would prosecution be brought against the RNLI, probably not - but the implication and nasty rhetoric to potential refugees is clear - don’t come here.
And the legislation is coming from the Home Office. As far as I’m aware, Farage doesn’t work there.

A Force Majeure clause is within a contract and releases parties from obligations which become impossible due to circumstances out with either party control so not sure I understand that justification?

Force Majeure is also within several UK legislations especially related to offshore or near shore aspects not just in contracts. It already exists in them for exactly safety reasons such as the Marine and Coastal Act.