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Tieribly angry wee fannies fannying about with the tiers

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dancemom · 29/07/2021 20:31

Things moved quickly so I just started a new one ...

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latissimusdorsi · 30/07/2021 17:59

PHE said they needed this important info to help with measuring vaccine efficacy

StarryEyeSurprise · 30/07/2021 18:10

A multi agency strategy is needed. I spoke about this before but Iceland had the highest drugs deaths a few years ago. One of the strategy they put in place was to have a variety of activities on during he week and at the weekend. Families were given vouchers. This worked well.
I'm often in the East End of Glasgow and parts of it are just beyond depressing. People need welcoming communal areas play parks , cafes etc community centres, swimming pools. Gangs were a huge problem where I work and now they're not. This was done through tackling the problem as a health issue not a criminal one. Both Governments must shoulder blame - the Drugs Misuse Act doesn't work. Portugal also had very high drugs deaths and saw huge decreases through removing criminality. The SNP need to improve play parks , increase extra curricular activities for young people ( aka Iceland), improve areas of deprivation in order to encourage others from across Glasgow to visit them and thus promote regeneration. The Bridge ( arts centre) has a wonderful programme of events and a fantastic library but the outside looks hellish. Have some nice artwork outside it! Also I've done some work with The Children's University in a previous school on the Southside and we do have university groups coming into the school but have a programme where all upper primary students go to Glasgow or Strathclyde Universities for a block of 'lessons.' The West End may aswell be Timbuktu for some and the young people need to know the options to them. Of course, many young people are fighting a losing battle with addicted parents and chaotic homes so have study areas close to home where young people can come for peace or respite.
In the first school I worked in, I sometimes had to keep back ( P2) pupils as those who had came to pick them up were so out if it. These were wonderful, caring children. It's just beyond sad.

ElephantOfRisk · 30/07/2021 18:18

@latissimusdorsi

I see PHE have now published the figures we've all been crying out for According to BBC website PHE asked the nhs in England to separate out the numbers for admitted to hospital with Covid as primary reason and admitted to hospital for another reason and tested positive 23% are in hospital for another reason (so would have been in hospital anyway!) Anyone know if Scotland have published stats like this yet?
Just had a look at the info on the bbc as 23% seemed quite low. The 77% were apparently being treated for covid as a primary reason, this still doesn't give us data where the reason that they were admitted was covid. They still could have been admitted for something else and ended up being treated for covid (primarily) that they caught in hospital.

i.e. someone is admitted for a heart issue, catch covid in hospital, heart issue is dealt with successfully so now they are primarily being treated for covid?

WOuld really need to see properly what the stats are I guess.

WouldBeGood · 30/07/2021 18:31

I really agree with you on improving the environment in which people live, and increasing opportunity @StarryEyeSurprise. The gulf between those so can and can’t is so big, and a multi agency holistic approach is exactly what’s needed. Better education is also critical in my view, as it can pry use confidence and aspiration. Not to have huge academic goals, necessarily, but to help close the gap.

WouldBeGood · 30/07/2021 18:32

@ElephantOfRisk I read a stat saying over half of Covid positives in English hospitals were subsequent to admission.

ElephantOfRisk · 30/07/2021 18:37

yes, so I think that 23% is a bit light as that will only be people admitted with covid as a primary cause whereas some of the other 77% will have caught covid in hospital and it became their primary treatment.

Without the actual data and parameters it's all guess work - still - and we don't know if the data has even been collected for Scotland or not.

ElephantOfRisk · 30/07/2021 18:42

I heard a bloke on the radio saying that the funding (if any) needs to go more to programmes outside the NHS who have been more successful in rehabilitation and getting folk properly clean. I get the impression he was promoting his own organisation but the figures should be easily enough checked. Ending the cycle and having positive options post addiction where people have jobs/housing/education/opportunities is clearly the key rather than getting them clean/cleanish and sending them back to shit environments where drugs provide temporary relief from.

WouldBeGood · 30/07/2021 18:53

Getting people off drugs is a thankless task in my experience. We need to try to improve lives so that it’s not an attractive or default option for people without hope.

latissimusdorsi · 30/07/2021 19:19

@WouldBeGood

Getting people off drugs is a thankless task in my experience. We need to try to improve lives so that it’s not an attractive or default option for people without hope.

Absolutely!

@StarryEyeSurprise my DB did his 1st teaching practice in Pilton the year Trainspotting came out
That was an experience!
So sad the life chances for these people haven't changed in 25 yrs

Scottishskifun · 30/07/2021 19:19

Agree it needs multi level approach from giving kids a safe space for home work clubs to giving young people a focus and assisting rehabilitation but also prison releases as well.

But it requires proper funding and its not just about changing drug laws it's about providing options and things to do not only for recovering addicts or those released from prison but also kids to stop them falling into that path in the first place.

dementedma · 30/07/2021 19:48

When in the name of God will this SNP assembly be called to account? When is it all going to stop?

imstilljenny2 · 30/07/2021 20:02

@dementedma I have chosen to stop caring. I skim over anything negative about the SNP on Twitter now (there's only negative comment on Twitter, never on mainstream news) as there's no point getting annoyed. They will continue to be in power in Scotland and there's no point getting angry about it. My new way of looking at the shit government we have has helped my mental health immensely.

titsintiers · 30/07/2021 20:05

I totally get that @imstilljenny2 but by god that is depressing.

Governing by acquiescence.

WouldBeGood · 30/07/2021 20:05

That’s probably a good way of doing it @imstilljenny2.

I rail against them, and the continuing support, and it’s very bad for my mental health.

IncludeWomenInThePrequel · 30/07/2021 20:49

I feel bleak about all UK politics. Can't see power changing hands for years - and Labour have absolutely shat it as a decent (ha) alternative.

Beepbeeprichie · 30/07/2021 20:50

@dementedma Dundee has the highest drugs deaths. They also had the abject failure that is Joe Fitzpatrick as MSP who was so ineffectual as minister for public health that he actually got the chop. Yet the people of Dundee elected him again.

WouldBeGood · 30/07/2021 21:02

It’s so bleak.England keeps voting for the Tories; Scotland for the SNP: both hopeless , corrupt and destructive.

ElephantOfRisk · 30/07/2021 21:05

yet strangely tories are in power down south and they don't have this level of drugs deaths?

WouldBeGood · 30/07/2021 21:08

Anas Sarwar saying it’s 3.5 times the deaths down south. Shocking. Same laws.

Yet here we focus on men being women 🤷🏻‍♀️

WouldBeGood · 30/07/2021 21:09

Oh… and baby boxes 🙄

ElephantOfRisk · 30/07/2021 21:09

yes it is, we were in the same boat last year but now it's worse.

WouldBeGood · 30/07/2021 21:12

I just don’t get these voters

YeDancer · 30/07/2021 21:33

If 2022 exams are not going ahead, what about 2023 exams? I ask as DD is going into S3 and will be sitting nat 5 exams in 2023.
I'm not a teacher or education expert but I worry about how DDs Nat 5s will be affected this year and then in exam year.

riverrunning · 30/07/2021 21:47

A lack of quality politicians in every party - I agree with @imstilljenny2 though, switching off from reading nasty political comments on Twitter/Facebook etc is good for your mental health.

I can't see what the snp would have to do here to stop weighing their votes, better to focus on things you can affect.

Scottishskifun · 30/07/2021 22:05

I was really impressed with the labour party up here for the May election. I agreed with a lot of it.

I got told on social media this week (for calling out judgemental language about English people living in Scotland) that "as a English person living in Scotland I should either respect what Scots wanted and vote for independence or go back to where I came from" which I thought was lovely 🙄
😂 Was from a pensioner as well with a few more saying "couldn't agree more John I'm not anti English but majority need to leave".......

So yep really loving the thought of more of that as a referendum drum gets banged and the huge NHS backlog, education system and drug deaths get ignored!

😂 I held my own with the pensioners in a polite but factual way whilst they went on about the British empire and colonial era and how that shows current English politicians ways 😂